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    Quote Originally Posted by OneBadV8 View Post
    Can you disable the auto-shutoff?

    i talked to vortex today. as of now you can not disable the auto shutoff. as i said earlier vortex is very good about listening to the shooting comunity so i would say disableing the auto off is in the near future
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    Quote Originally Posted by 42769vette View Post
    i talked to vortex today. as of now you can not disable the auto shutoff. as i said earlier vortex is very good about listening to the shooting comunity so i would say disableing the auto off is in the near future


    Thanks for following up on that, hopefully they offer that as some sort of option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 42769vette View Post
    i talked to vortex today. as of now you can not disable the auto shutoff. as i said earlier vortex is very good about listening to the shooting comunity so i would say disableing the auto off is in the near future
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rookie View Post
    Escrice, I offered to let you test drive my M&P months ago...
    Yeah I tried convincing Scutter to hijack it from you yesterday.

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    He should have asked, I would have sent it home for a week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwframe View Post


    Great review as always Evan.
    I do have some questions and suggestions. Everyone I have ever seen start off new to using a RDS on a pistol has a bit of a time with consistently finding the dot. I wonder how someone less seasoned with iron sights would adapt to the RDS? It seems to me that a rock solid repetitive presentation is required for the dot to fall where the eyes are looking. In other words, the RDS is not an easy replacement for technique and iron sights, right?


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    Quote Originally Posted by cedartop View Post
    If you look closely, you may just see someone who has posted in this thread committing a big range no-no.
    Haha, saw it. Funny.

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    For those of you who appreciate using carry gear to compete. This guy from WT uses a TSD RMR Glock to compete in the three gun Ironman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwframe View Post
    Great review as always Evan.
    Thank you sir.

    Quote Originally Posted by bwframe View Post
    Everyone I have ever seen start off new to using a RDS on a pistol has a bit of a time with consistently finding the dot. I wonder how someone less seasoned with iron sights would adapt to the RDS? It seems to me that a rock solid repetitive presentation is required for the dot to fall where the eyes are looking. In other words, the RDS is not an easy replacement for technique and iron sights, right?
    Good observation and question.

    As I said in the initial review, I was actually surprised how easy it was to find the dot. I had imagined it would be much harder.

    The first time I shot a Ruger MKII with PA Micro on it, I found the dot hard to "find". This could be a case of where the reflex-style RDS outshines the tube-style. On a rifle I don't notice any difference in finding the dot between the two--probably because of having a cheekweld where your head-to-optic relationship is always the same. With a pistol, however, you now have the ability to "twist" the optic and therefore lose the dot. This would seemingly be more apparent with a tube-style RDS.

    Presentations with the dot required consistency, just like with irons. The difference was just a slight elevation change. I had to get used to not raising the gun quite as high as normal. But once I got comfortable with that, I had no problems finding the dot quickly.

    Now, this could be different with a new shooter. But then again, new shooters also struggle with quickly lining up 2 points with iron sights. So it may be a moot point.

    Quote Originally Posted by bwframe View Post
    I'd like to see the results of some cold shots with the RDSed guns. First off maybe a single shot, later maybe a more elaborate drill. The important part is unpracticed or warmed up. The same would go for after the drill, no hour or three of practice, just the drill until the next cold one another day.
    This would make an interesting test. Perhaps I can make this happen for "Phase 2" of this review.

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    Those are all good points and after reading it and rereading what I wrote, I don't see disagreement! I see complement more so than contradiction!

    When I said "beyond contact distance," I probably should have been more explicit that I do recognize that there are times when it's not possible to use the sights. I was focusing on the idea that too many people think that they "can't" use the sights in way too many situations because they are under the mistaken impression that it's inherently slower than unsighted fire in situations where it is possible to have the gun in front of your face so you could see the sights if you were looking.



    Quote Originally Posted by cedartop View Post
    This may be splitting hairs, but I am going to disagree, just a bit, with my friend rhino. You CAN get good solid fight stopping hits (as much as that is allowed by a handgun), at close range without using the sights. This may come into play especially if you are not in full extension, maybe some sort of retention position. Is it optimal to get to your sights? Yes! Also in my experiences in FOF I would say that the majority of our students never recall seeing their sights, much less using them. I use my sights during FOF much of the time, but I have trained to do that, and have more practice then most taking our FOF classes in doing just that.

    So to bring that around to RDS. You can still point shoot with it if you need to. If you can get to the sight then do so, many find it much quicker and easier to do so in the beginning if they have good cowitnessing BUIS. Training wheels, as it were.




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