Night Vision IR laser/Illuminator....HELP!!!

[tacticalmaster45]

Hello, I am in need of a dependable IR laser and illuminator for my AR-15 SBR. I would like to keep the setup below $1200, whether it be a single module like the ATPIAL/DBAL-D2/DBAL-A3 or a separate IR light like a Surefire M600V with a DBAL-I2. How does the beam pattern of the surefire vampire series compare to the DBAL & ATPIAL illuminators? Please share your experiences and knowledge.

 

[Trigger Time]

If your budget is that high go with a atpial-c which is the civilian version of what the military uses. You won't need more than that. When they came out pre-sale was 1100 or 1199 I can't remember. now full retail is like 1300 but you can find them cheaper.

 

[tradertator]

Another vote for the PEQ-15. I like how low they sit on the rail, and how all the adjustments are slaved together.

The IR light on it works very well, but I find myself wanting supplemental light with it still. The Surefire Vampire is the way to go. A Surefire SR07 switch makes the whole thing work pretty seamlessly.

https://tnvc.com/shop/surefire-sr07-d-it/

 

[JollyMon]

If you want to keep them together I would get the dbal-a3. I like the atpial-c, and has certain design features that I like.... but also are usually backordered 8 weeks. Hence why the dbal-a3 might be a better fit. Plus it has a green laser over the atpials red. Though the wait time might not be as bad since the mawl came out.

if you want to go seperate, I would say don't do it .

 

[mammynun]

An advantage to keeping them separate is that you can upgrade one without the other...

Do you have an easily accessible place to shoot at night? Learning to move effectively under NVD's is a skill that requires practice, but it's not as much fun to maintain that skill if you can't shoot... For the limited amount of opportunities I have to use my PVS-14 and actually shoot, I'm satisfied with my CQBL-1 and Vampire head Scout. I'm sure I'd want more IR illum capabilities if I trained more often in more challenging environments like MOUT.

 

[tacticalmaster45]

I have a 25 yard range at my house and do intend to practice regularly. I have heard that some units illuminate better than others, although all seem to lack "real" power thanks to the FDA.

 

[mikefraz]

Opticsplanet has the Crimson Trace Railmaster IR for $53 shipped today. That's the best deal I've ever seen. I just ordered one.

 

[lester]

I like the atpial-c, and has certain design features that I like.... but also are usually backordered 8 weeks.

We sell and often stock the ATPIAL-C. The last two times I've ordered them, we got them in days. Things changed when we started ordering direct from L3 instead of through wholesalers. For those looking for one, timing has been pretty good lately.

The Minimum advertised price for the ATPIAL-C is $1329. However, you can find deals on them if you know how to shop. For instance, imagine if you had a local dealer that gave a coupon code because of a mutual membership to an online discussion forum. Something like that might save you $130 bucks or so...

 

[mikefraz]

We sell and often stock the ATPIAL-C. The last two times I've ordered them, we got them in days. Things changed when we started ordering direct from L3 instead of through wholesalers. For those looking for one, timing has been pretty good lately.

The Minimum advertised price for the ATPIAL-C is $1329. However, you can find deals on them if you know how to shop. For instance, imagine if you had a local dealer that gave a coupon code because of a mutual membership to an online discussion forum. Something like that might save you $130 bucks or so...

But where could someone find such a dealer? If only...