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    Another "help me decide" thread

    I'm considering an LVPO for my 20" AR. This is my current go-to gun so it would be for general purpose use and durability is the prime consideration. I've found two scopes that I like in a price range that I can live with: the Steiner P4Xi, and the Sig Tango4. It seems like a pretty apples-to-apples comparison but I'm leaning toward the Sig for the FFP, zero stops, and MOTAC (I currently have a Comp M4s on the rifle). Has anyone owned both that could give me a comparison? Anybody got other suggestions? Anybody think I should just pick up an Aimpoint magnifier?

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    I would recommend the Sig for similar reasons and the glass is a little brighter in the Sig. Personal preference but I’ve come to love FFP lpvo’s with illumination because you can use them much like a red dot at 1x for quick target transition/cqb type rolls and then you have the reticle for a better shot placement and the added magnification. Best of both worlds and a more compact and often lighter option than a RDS with magnifier.

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    What's your budget? There might be better stuff out there for what you're wanting to do.
    What do you want the reticle to do for you? Are you going to be ranging with the reticle or just using some good ol' Kentucky windage and swagging shots?

    The Steiner - It has German Schott glass, which is expensive and nice. It has an excellent illumination system that is the same as on their T5x line and is expensive and nice. I just can't figure out how they're making these and selling them as cheap as they are. Something has to give. I haven't seen anything regarding the quality of the erector assy and other guts in the scope, and my gut tells me this is where they're saving money. But there are lots of happy people using these, so the durability can't be too bad.

    The Sig Tango4 is nice, but with the closeouts on the Tango6 happening right now, there's no reason not to step up and grab a Tango6 if you're going with one of the Sigs. The Tango4 is a 1-4 made in the Philippines. The Tango6 is made by LOW in Japan. Definitely step up and grab one of the Tango 6's if you can swing the extra $100 or so. It's money well spent.

    Have you looked at:
    Trijicon Accupower - 1-4 built robustly with nice glass. Only downside is limited battery life
    Weaver Tac 1-5 - Made again by LOW in Japan. Very underappreciated. Downside is the reticle and illumination, but if you're OK with the reticle/illum, then it's a great choice
    Vortex PST 1-6 - Great option for the price. Made in the Philippines. Not quite as nice as the LOW Japan made optics in general, but you get a lot for your money with these.
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    Other questions:
    Is a 1-??? X optic really what you're wanting for a 20" rifle?
    Are you using the rifle for 3 gun, short range, or inside your house where 1x power is needed?
    Would you be happier with a 2-8, 2-10, etc... scope?

    Personally, I'm running 1-6x scope(s) on 14.5", 16", and other shorter rifles that are better handling than a 20" rifle. My longer rifles get higher magnification optics because I'm not needing 1x on them since they don't get used at close range or in house due to the shorter rifles handling better at the close distance stuff.

    Just some things to ponder.
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    Also.....No reason to go with a Red Dot and Magnifier these days. More components to break, heavier, more expensive, poor reticle option, etc..... Just absolutely no reason to do that these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seedubs1 View Post
    Other questions:
    Is a 1-??? X optic really what you're wanting for a 20" rifle?
    Are you using the rifle for 3 gun, short range, or inside your house where 1x power is needed?
    Would you be happier with a 2-8, 2-10, etc... scope?

    Personally, I'm running 1-6x scope(s) on 14.5", 16", and other shorter rifles that are better handling than a 20" rifle. My longer rifles get higher magnification optics because I'm not needing 1x on them since they don't get used at close range or in house due to the shorter rifles handling better at the close distance stuff.

    Just some things to ponder.
    Right now, my 20" is all I've got and the budget won't allow for any new toys. This is what some may call a life and liberty or SHTF gun so versatility is nice.
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    A 1-4 or 1-6 would be what I’d do if I were you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruffnek View Post
    Right now, my 20" is all I've got and the budget won't allow for any new toys. This is what some may call a life and liberty or SHTF gun so versatility is nice.
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    I was going to suggest the Accupower. Great glass, nice reticle, heavy duty. Had one for quite some time on a 14.5" and loved it. A litte more loot than the 2 optics you mentioned, but IMHO, well worth the cost.

    Quote Originally Posted by seedubs1 View Post
    What's your budget? There might be better stuff out there for what you're wanting to do.
    What do you want the reticle to do for you? Are you going to be ranging with the reticle or just using some good ol' Kentucky windage and swagging shots?

    The Steiner - It has German Schott glass, which is expensive and nice. It has an excellent illumination system that is the same as on their T5x line and is expensive and nice. I just can't figure out how they're making these and selling them as cheap as they are. Something has to give. I haven't seen anything regarding the quality of the erector assy and other guts in the scope, and my gut tells me this is where they're saving money. But there are lots of happy people using these, so the durability can't be too bad.

    The Sig Tango4 is nice, but with the closeouts on the Tango6 happening right now, there's no reason not to step up and grab a Tango6 if you're going with one of the Sigs. The Tango4 is a 1-4 made in the Philippines. The Tango6 is made by LOW in Japan. Definitely step up and grab one of the Tango 6's if you can swing the extra $100 or so. It's money well spent.

    Have you looked at:
    Trijicon Accupower - 1-4 built robustly with nice glass. Only downside is limited battery life
    Weaver Tac 1-5 - Made again by LOW in Japan. Very underappreciated. Downside is the reticle and illumination, but if you're OK with the reticle/illum, then it's a great choice
    Vortex PST 1-6 - Great option for the price. Made in the Philippines. Not quite as nice as the LOW Japan made optics in general, but you get a lot for your money with these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nrgrams View Post
    I was going to suggest the Accupower. Great glass, nice reticle, heavy duty. Had one for quite some time on a 14.5" and loved it. A litte more loot than the 2 optics you mentioned, but IMHO, well worth the cost.
    I'd love to have an Accupower but you're suggesting a Mercedes to someone on a Chevy budget.
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    I just sold sold mine barely used for just a shade over $500. You linked a couple opticsthat were right at $600. If your budget is $600, shop around and be patient. Black Friday is almost here as well.....

    Like I said.....the Tango6 1-6 can be had for under $650 right now.....

    Dont limit yourself to shopping at Midway and Brownells. Find a deal and get as much bang for your buck as you can.

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    I'd love to have an Accupower but you're suggesting a Mercedes to someone on a Chevy budget.

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