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  • Dutchisaurus

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    My Wise Men Company splitfix showed up today. Anyone else running one? So far it seems to firm up the brace a bit.
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    gmcttr

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    From the manufacturer's website..."Designed to prevent the deformation of the SBA3’s rubber arm supports while in storage or transport."

    Seems they are concerned the product would be considered a modification that turns your "pistol" into an SBR. I have the same concern.
     

    bcannon

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    I'm not sure if "only a few posted concerns on the interweb and the guys that sold it to me said its legal" will fly with the ATF boys and girls. It doesnt look stock to me but you do you.
     

    Dutchisaurus

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    I'm not sure if "only a few posted concerns and the guys that sold it to me said its legal" will fly with the ATF boys and girls. It doesnt look stock to me but you do you.
    My understanding is that the only illegality would be a permanent alteration that changes it's nature. There's nothing permanent about a strap.

    Heck the OEM strap is light and flimsy and subject to wear.

    But IANAL
     

    CPT Nervous

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    Tell me, what is the strap's intended purpose? To keep the flaps from folding over like they do? Yes, that can be annoying.

    Understand that the design of the brace is legal, as it is intended to be used a certain way. Nothing prevents you from using it differently than its intended purpose, but when you start modifying the original design to make it more effective to be used inconsistently with the original purpose, you run the risk of manufacturing an SBR.

    Braces are legal because they are not stocks. Making your brace more like a stock may not result in you facing prison time, but I'm not willing to take that risk. I just deal with the flap folding problem. It's not that big of a deal. Or buy a Tippman T5 brace. They seem to have solved the problem with the SBA3, while not potentially violating any federal laws.
     

    bcannon

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    I know yanal, i would talk to one atleast. You do you though. A large amount of eyes read these posts and yes the ATF are some of them. Big gamble to put your pistol pic out there. I like my guns and freedom and dont want to gamble mine away.
     

    CPT Nervous

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    My understanding is that the only illegality would be a permanent alteration that changes it's nature. There's nothing permanent about a strap.

    Heck the OEM strap is light and flimsy and subject to wear.

    But IANAL

    The strap is not the issue. This strap differs from the OEM strap in that holds the flaps together, preventing it from being uses as designed. It's a very fine line, and I don't want to be anywhere near it.

    Have you see the KAK Shockwave "brace protector?" Yeah, try and argue that it doesn't turn the brace into a stock. It's not a permanent modification, but it definitely reclassifies the firearm. Hell, while we're at it, a DIAS isn't a permanent modification, can I put one in my rifle without consequence?

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    https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/11/29/ic13-releases-pistol-brace-protector-nfa-compliant/
     

    Dutchisaurus

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    The strap is not the issue. This strap differs from the OEM strap in that holds the flaps together, preventing it from being uses as designed. It's a very fine line, and I don't want to be anywhere near it.

    Have you see the KAK Shockwave "brace protector?" Yeah, try and argue that it doesn't turn the brace into a stock. It's not a permanent modification, but it definitely reclassifies the firearm. Hell, while we're at it, a DIAS isn't a permanent modification, can I put one in my rifle without consequence?

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    https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/11/29/ic13-releases-pistol-brace-protector-nfa-compliant/
    There is a difference between a non permanent change which does not change the function and a DIAS which is designed to change the function of the weapon..
     

    Tyler-The-Piker

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    At least the SBP states on their website that the "pistol brace protector" turns your gun into an NFA SBR. The splitfix website does not say that...yet...
     

    CPT Nervous

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    There is a difference between a non permanent change which does not change the function and a DIAS which is designed to change the function of the weapon..

    I would argue that the Splitfix does change the function. And so will a zealous prosecutor out to make a point. Like I said, you may be fine, but it's close enough to that line that I'm not willing to find out.
     

    CPT Nervous

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    At least the SBP states on their website that the "pistol brace protector" turns your gun into an NFA SBR. The splitfix website does not say that...yet...


    Exactly, and the fact that Splitfix states this is only to be used during transport and storage means they know they're pushing the limit.

    It reminds me of these:

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    There is a warning not to use it, but we all know exactly what it's for.
     

    indysims

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    Each person is capable of their personal risk tolerance. If you decide it's not for you that's great. Be confident in you choice and spare others the "fine line, not worth the risk" diatribes.
     

    gmcttr

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    ...Be confident in you choice and spare others the "fine line, not worth the risk" diatribes.

    I would not feel right if I did not inform a person of the potential risk they are taking. The info is needed to allow them to make an informed choice.
     
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