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    I have loaded about 20,000 9mm rounds with clays in my Dillon with no problems . I load lead bullets for plinking. I would use something else for plated or jacketed rounds.

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    Clays with jacketed hollow points?

    Rather than start a new thread, any reloading data sources for 9mm 124 gr. Hornday XTP with Hodgdon Clays (not Universal)? The published company data is for lead bullets and lower velocities, so I'm *assuming* that a load for a jacketed bullet will be somewhat higher.

    I have seen posts in other forums giving loads over 4.0 gr, but with Clays that sounds a bit dicey.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cobber View Post
    Rather than start a new thread, any reloading data sources for 9mm 124 gr. Hornday XTP with Hodgdon Clays (not Universal)? The published company data is for lead bullets and lower velocities, so I'm *assuming* that a load for a jacketed bullet will be somewhat higher.

    I have seen posts in other forums giving loads over 4.0 gr, but with Clays that sounds a bit dicey.
    Yea, 4 grains could get dicey with a bullet setback I'd load no longer than 1.125 to use less powder to make the pressure ceiling here's Quickload numbers on that round for you.

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    Cartridge          : 9 mm Luger (SAAMI)Bullet             : .355, 124, Hornady HP/XTP 35571
    Useable Case Capaci: 8.169 grain H2O = 0.530 cm³
    Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.125 inch = 28.58 mm
    Barrel Length      : 4.0 inch = 101.6 mm
    Powder             : Hodgdon Clays
    
    
    Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
    incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
    CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
    
    
    Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
     %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms
    
    
    -20.0   71     2.56    ***Phone Number Hidden*** (See Rules for more info)7   2274    100.0    0.538
    -18.0   73     2.62    ***Phone Number Hidden*** (See Rules for more info)0   2323    100.0    0.527
    -16.0   75     2.69    ***Phone Number Hidden*** (See Rules for more info)5   2373    100.0    0.518
    -14.0   76     2.75    ***Phone Number Hidden*** (See Rules for more info)2   2422    100.0    0.508
    -12.0   78     2.82    ***Phone Number Hidden*** (See Rules for more info)2   2471    100.0    0.499
    -10.0   80     2.88    ***Phone Number Hidden*** (See Rules for more info)5   2521    100.0    0.490
    -08.0   82     2.94    ***Phone Number Hidden*** (See Rules for more info)0   2569    100.0    0.482  ! Near Maximum !
    -06.0   84     3.01    ***Phone Number Hidden*** (See Rules for more info)9   2618    100.0    0.474  ! Near Maximum !
    -04.0   85     3.07    ***Phone Number Hidden*** (See Rules for more info)1   2667    100.0    0.466  ! Near Maximum !
    -02.0   87     3.14    ***Phone Number Hidden*** (See Rules for more info)7   2716    100.0    0.459  ! Near Maximum !
    +00.0   89     3.20    ***Phone Number Hidden*** (See Rules for more info)6   2764    100.0    0.452  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    +02.0   91     3.26    ***Phone Number Hidden*** (See Rules for more info)9   2812    100.0    0.445  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    +04.0   92     3.33   1***Phone Number Hidden*** (See Rules for more info)7   2860    100.0    0.438  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    +06.0   94     3.39   1***Phone Number Hidden*** (See Rules for more info)0   2908    100.0    0.432  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    +08.0   96     3.46   1***Phone Number Hidden*** (See Rules for more info)7   2956    100.0    0.425  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    +10.0   98     3.52   1***Phone Number Hidden*** (See Rules for more info)0   3004    100.0    0.419  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
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    Tagged. I have 7 pounds of Clays in an open jug that I would love to use up. Even at max published loads I can not seem to make power factor. Only load I have found so far that will work for me is 3.9-4.0 under a 230 grain LRN in 45 acp. I have been tempted to try some Clays in 9mm but the narrow window for charge weight makes me nervous. The powder does not meter as consistently as others in my Dillon and it seems that max charges are necessary to make power or at the very least run stock guns.

    I am am interested in cast bullet 9mm data that works. Maybe a nice 135 grain coated bullet would be the ticket.

    TrophyHunter thank you very much for QuickLoad data!!!! You ran some for me in the past and it seems to be spot on with the chronograph. You are doing INGO a great service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VERT View Post
    Tagged. I have 7 pounds of Clays in an open jug that I would love to use up. Even at max published loads I can not seem to make power factor. Only load I have found so far that will work for me is 3.9-4.0 under a 230 grain LRN in 45 acp.
    I use 4.1 clays under 230 gr FMJ, @ 1.240-1.245". Gets 170-171 PF from my Kart Barrel. std dev isn't super at ~15 but I live with it.

    4.0 and a little longer wouldn't meet PF and I had std dev around 75fps.

    When I was working up the load I did some reading and apparently all the older hodgdon manuals had a higher max load, something like 4.3gr for .45. I see no pressure signs, and 45 is such low pressure I'm not concerned being .1 over max regardless.

    Man is it a sweet, soft, flat shooting round... perfect for practical shooting sports. And accurate, too.
    (http://ingunowners.com/forums/handgu...ml#post6739014)

    ymmv, imo, not responsible for damage to you or equipment, etc etc

    -rvb
    Last edited by rvb; 02-17-2017 at 12:25.
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    RVB it seems everyone I talk to pushes the clays a tenth over so over published max to make power. That scares me because the powder does not drop that consistently for me. I don't mind going to the max and then sneaking over, but in my case if I try to drop 4.1 grains some cases might get 4.2-4.3 grains. That said I am sure guys know what they are doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VERT View Post
    RVB it seems everyone I talk to pushes the clays a tenth over so over published max to make power. That scares me because the powder does not drop that consistently for me. I don't mind going to the max and then sneaking over, but in my case if I try to drop 4.1 grains some cases might get 4.2-4.3 grains.
    unusual for a Dillon w/ clays.
    static problems perhaps?
    how much are you belling?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvb View Post
    unusual for a Dillon w/ clays.
    static problems perhaps?
    how much are you belling?

    -rvb
    I wipe the measure down with a dryer sheet which helps. I will admit I am somewhat aggressive with my belling. I was shaving lead during seating so opened it a bit more.

    The 230 grain LRN load shoots good. It just runs my 1911s which are not sprung for gaming in that they have 17-18 pound recoil springs. But it does run and is accurate. I have yet to put it across the chronograph.

    I dont not shoot a lot of .45 anymore compared to 9mm though. Going to take me a long time to shoot up a jug of Clays.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VERT View Post
    Tagged. I have 7 pounds of Clays in an open jug that I would love to use up. Even at max published loads I can not seem to make power factor. Only load I have found so far that will work for me is 3.9-4.0 under a 230 grain LRN in 45 acp. I have been tempted to try some Clays in 9mm but the narrow window for charge weight makes me nervous. The powder does not meter as consistently as others in my Dillon and it seems that max charges are necessary to make power or at the very least run stock guns.

    I am am interested in cast bullet 9mm data that works. Maybe a nice 135 grain coated bullet would be the ticket.

    TrophyHunter thank you very much for QuickLoad data!!!! You ran some for me in the past and it seems to be spot on with the chronograph. You are doing INGO a great service.
    Glad to help, those charts are really easy to plug in the data and generate predictions. I don't spend much time on here but if you ever need a load worked up send me a PM those come to email so I'll get a notification and can run one for you anytime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VERT View Post
    I will admit I am somewhat aggressive with my belling. I was shaving lead during seating so opened it a bit more.
    that's ok, imo. I think you can get inconsistent powder throws w/ too little bell... need to make sure the funnel is pushed up completely to ensure full powder bar movement. I like between 0.015 and 0.020 bell...

    -rvb

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