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    New to reloading quandry

    Ok i am a new reloader. I have read my Lyman Manual, watched an infinite number of youtube videos and read as much as I could find about it on the web but have not found concrete info about reloading picked up range brass. I have heard people say they do it and others warn never to do it. I will be loading 9mm target loads. I will put my last recipe below and I want to go slightly hotter than that. What do you all think?


    Primer: CCI 500 Small Pistol
    Powder: Wincester 231 (3.5 gr)
    Bullet: Hornaday 115gr JHP

    also if this info is already out there and I missed it please point me in the right direction.

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    Grandmaster SEIndSAM's Avatar
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    No comment of your recipe, I use titegroup. But, I have picked up thousands of pieces of range brass and never had an issue. Just look them over for cracks or damage as your sizing them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gond View Post
    Ok i am a new reloader. I have read my Lyman Manual, watched an infinite number of youtube videos and read as much as I could find about it on the web but have not found concrete info about reloading picked up range brass. I have heard people say they do it and others warn never to do it. I will be loading 9mm target loads. I will put my last recipe below and I want to go slightly hotter than that. What do you all think?


    Primer: CCI 500 Small Pistol
    Powder: Wincester 231 (3.5 gr)
    Bullet: Hornaday 115gr JHP

    also if this info is already out there and I missed it please point me in the right direction.
    3.5 grains isn't enough to start with. You don't want a squib stuck in the barrel or a failure of the slide to function. Here's some numbers on putting that recipe together you can compare to data in various load manuals bear in mind the Sammi spec. for 9mm is 35,000 psi for standard loads and 38,500 psi for +p loads.

    Constructing loads that fall 15,000 + psi short of the mark is the main reason you see and hear complaints of handloads being inaccurate, dirty or prone to malfunctions. 4.5 grains would be a reasonable starting point for accuracy and function of the gun provided you maintain a COL of 1.125. Any longer than that with only 4.5 grains of 231 and you'll have fast drop in pressure.

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    Cartridge          : 9 mm Luger (SAAMI)Bullet             : .355, 115, Hornady HP/XTP 35540
    Useable Case Capaci: 8.953 grain H2O = 0.581 cm³
    Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.125 inch = 28.58 mm
    Barrel Length      : 4.0 inch = 101.6 mm
    Powder             : Winchester 231
    
    
    Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
    incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
    CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
    
    
    Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
     %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms
    
    
    -20.0   64     4.00    ***Phone Number Hidden*** (See Rules for more info)3   3732     98.9    0.518
    -18.0   66     4.10   1***Phone Number Hidden*** (See Rules for more info)7   3818     99.2    0.506
    -16.0   67     4.20   1***Phone Number Hidden*** (See Rules for more info)9   3900     99.5    0.496
    -14.0   69     4.30   1***Phone Number Hidden*** (See Rules for more info)9   3980     99.7    0.484
    -12.0   71     4.40   1***Phone Number Hidden*** (See Rules for more info)8   4055     99.9    0.473
    -10.0   72     4.50   1***Phone Number Hidden*** (See Rules for more info)6   4127    100.0    0.463
    -08.0   74     4.60   1***Phone Number Hidden*** (See Rules for more info)6   4195    100.0    0.453
    -06.0   75     4.70   1***Phone Number Hidden*** (See Rules for more info)7   4262    100.0    0.443
    -04.0   77     4.80   1***Phone Number Hidden*** (See Rules for more info)2   4327    100.0    0.434  ! Near Maximum !
    -02.0   79     4.90   1***Phone Number Hidden*** (See Rules for more info)1   4392    100.0    0.425  ! Near Maximum !
    +00.0   80     5.00   1***Phone Number Hidden*** (See Rules for more info)6   4457    100.0    0.416  ! Near Maximum !
    Last edited by trophyhunter; 02-16-2017 at 12:28.
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    I use 231 along with TG but can't give you recipes right now. I have them at home.

    As far as range brass, I keep reloading it until it splits, cracks, or fails in some way.
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    After reloading for several years (or less) you'll likely be scouring the ground for brass. I know I do. I have more than I probably need, but always feel this sense of desperation when I see all that brass just laying around at the range. I have to get it.

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    On second thought, you probably shouldn't risk it. Send it to me for proper disposal.

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    I only use range brass for my pistol loads. The only thing I buy brass for is my precision rifle rounds. Reloading 9mm doesn't save much money anyways so I save every cent I can by picking up range brass. Once it is resized it really doesn't matter.

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    Range brass is ok to use. Pick it up as soon as possible after being fired to reduce possibility of corrosion, rain water, and dirt. Clean and tumble it, check for splits, cracks, and bulges.. sort by headstamp and go for it. Use your manual for minimum load for the powder and bullet you are going to use. I once picked up thousands of 5.56 brass from local LEO range the day after they got their new M-16s. Just laying in piles of hundreds on the line. It has been great. Many places sell once fired range brass.
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    Nothing wrong with range brass.
    9mm you will probably loose it before it splits, any auto usually, in my experience.
    I agree with what Old Dog said, except the sorting by headstamp, in 25 yrs of re-loading I have never sorted by headstamp
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    Over the last 40+ years of reloading I can't imagine where I would be without range brass.

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