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    Quote Originally Posted by indyjohn View Post
    I load for every firearm I shoot except for rimfire: 9mm, .45ACP, .223, .308, .30-06; all of them done on that LnL AP. I like it a lot, you get spoiled with how fast you can produce ammo with a progressive. Some of these reloading nuts on this forum add a motor and component feeders and just like that they're into huge volumes.
    You mention adding a motor.. I've not seen that on a LnL. I've 3D printed a case feeder for mine, and working bugs out on a 3D printed bullet collator for a Mr Bullet Feeder die. I'd be interested in seeing what it takes to add the motor, just because I like to tinker. Do you have any links?

    --Rick

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    Quote Originally Posted by schmart View Post
    You mention adding a motor.. I've not seen that on a LnL. I've 3D printed a case feeder for mine, and working bugs out on a 3D printed bullet collator for a Mr Bullet Feeder die. I'd be interested in seeing what it takes to add the motor, just because I like to tinker. Do you have any links?
    Not on the LnL that I've seen either, Dillon is the only commercial plant I've seen motorized. Aszerigan and Bobcat Armament both have experience with the Dillon rigs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aszerigan View Post
    Hey now, why you gotta get personal? :-)

    Glad to see you're back in the game. I'm quite sure when people realize the extent of the ammo shortage, they'll be a lot of presses 'out and running' again. My suggestion? Stock up on components now before they get as scarce as good ammo. Shortages ARE coming.
    The shortage is here. I was budgeting my bulk buy for early summer but I haven't been able to find what I needyet. I'm running low on entirely too much for comfort...
    Shut up and color!

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    I flipped the machines on and produced about 3,000 rounds this weekend, first time in a while.
    Just summer ammo, nothing special, no particular reason other than it's shooting season.

    I do process a lot of brass, but don't load much in comparison...
    A progressive THAT WORKS is about the best way to go for a home reloader, cost is reasonable and some of them make pretty darn consistent ammo.
    You are talking BIG money when you get into high volume, auto driven machines, and unless you just have the money to blow it's never going to come close to breaking even in cost.

    I still manually hand load (Dillon XL650) my match accuracy ammo, better feel and less inconsistency (when I'm paying attention),
    Consistency is a big, COSTLY issue with auto driven machines...
    Takes a LOT of QC/Tuning to keep consistency up.

    Pistol ammo, and processing cases goes pretty well on a driven machine, but with wear on parts it's still a challenge to keep consistency up sometimes.
    If you can't do it better than factory ammo (different classes of factory ammo, compare apples to apples) there isn't much point in rolling your own...

    No one should set out to make 'Crap' ammo considering the time involved if nothing else, and I've made a lot of crap ammo in the last 45 years!
    Never intended to, but you know how it goes...

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    I get very consistent product out of the LnL, but my process is very slow and deliberate. Powder charges are tight and COAL is spot on every time.

    Building rounds is therapy for me, I wouldn't win any races running it.
    "A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both."
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    Quote Originally Posted by indyjohn View Post
    I get very consistent product out of the LnL, but my process is very slow and deliberate. Powder charges are tight and COAL is spot on every time.

    Building rounds is therapy for me, I wouldn't win any races running it.
    I don't know how to give a thumbs up, so THUMBS UP!

    I get into a 'Zone' when I'm hand loading, I also view it as therapy.

    Sounds like you have the correct machine for your production (and I don't care about color, I care about how it works WITH me).

    One thing that took me WAY too long to do,
    Get a good, solid, comfortable chair where my feet could sit flat on the floor,
    Then I built bench height so the lever ball wasn't too high or too low, good leverage, and the arm, shoulder & back pain went away.
    I spent WAY too long reaching too far up, out, sitting sideways, legs swinging...
    And chasing a wobbly bench all over the place is exhausting, plus it guarantees consistency will suffer.

    Ergonomics wasn't a thing when I started/learned, and I spent several years moving around using what ever bench I could find.

    Now it's comfortable, everything within easy reach, back supported (not sitting on a bucket or concrete block!) And it's MUCH easier on me.
    Only took me about 40 years to figure out why it hurt, I'm quick that way...

    While my manual machine *Can* crank out rounds 'Fast', I'm slower than what most people report on the same machine,
    But I do make consistent rounds, so it just takes as long as it takes... AND I have a lot less QC fails now.
    I think I rushed because I hurt, and I didn't enjoy the process as much as I do now...

    I think you may have very well pulled things together since you enjoy it AND produce quality ammo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeepHammer View Post
    I don't know how to give a thumbs up, so THUMBS UP!

    I get into a 'Zone' when I'm hand loading, I also view it as therapy.

    Sounds like you have the correct machine for your production (and I don't care about color, I care about how it works WITH me).

    One thing that took me WAY too long to do,
    Get a good, solid, comfortable chair where my feet could sit flat on the floor,
    Then I built bench height so the lever ball wasn't too high or too low, good leverage, and the arm, shoulder & back pain went away.
    I spent WAY too long reaching too far up, out, sitting sideways, legs swinging...
    And chasing a wobbly bench all over the place is exhausting, plus it guarantees consistency will suffer.

    Ergonomics wasn't a thing when I started/learned, and I spent several years moving around using what ever bench I could find.

    Now it's comfortable, everything within easy reach, back supported (not sitting on a bucket or concrete block!) And it's MUCH easier on me.
    Only took me about 40 years to figure out why it hurt, I'm quick that way...

    While my manual machine *Can* crank out rounds 'Fast', I'm slower than what most people report on the same machine,
    But I do make consistent rounds, so it just takes as long as it takes... AND I have a lot less QC fails now.
    I think I rushed because I hurt, and I didn't enjoy the process as much as I do now...

    I think you may have very well pulled things together since you enjoy it AND produce quality ammo.
    I absolutely know what you're talking about, you have to be comfortable standing at the press for long periods of time. I don't know what standard is but that bench measures 39 1/2" high, that is the number I came up with when I was building it. I can stand and work or sit on a bar stool comfortably while running the press.

    "A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both."
    - Dwight D. Eisenhower

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