Homeowner tazed by police as he fought fire

[9mmfan]

Heard this on the radio today. Thought it was a joke until I found this: Homeowner tasered by police as he fought fire spreading from house next door | Mail Online

Could not believe a man was tazed while on his own yard trying to prevent a fire from spreading to his house. Have some cops lost the skill involved in bodily removing someone from danger instead of tazing him?

 

[Ted]

Dupe....kinda.

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo..._arresting_people_wandering_blast_zone-7.html

 

[burt gummer]

Stupid, what danger was the cops in? Are they afraid of water

 

[Kutnupe14]

Housefire vs waterhose? My money is on the housefire.

The guy was given a chance to leave peacefully, for his own safety. After looking at the pics, those houses were very, very close together. The guy, by going back, proved he wasnt going to listen to police. So police are supposed wrastle around with a guy feet away from an active fire? Sorry bro, I'm not taking that risk. I would have tased him too.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Stupid, what danger was the cops in? Are they afraid of water

That burning house a few feet away does create the considerationof the issue of death.

 

[Hammer]

Housefire vs waterhose? My money is on the housefire.

The guy was given a chance to leave peacefully, for his own safety. After looking at the pics, those houses were very, very close together. The guy, by going back, proved he wasnt going to listen to police. So police are supposed wrastle around with a guy feet away from an active fire? Sorry bro, I'm not taking that risk. I would have tased him too.

Please state the IC which give you that right?

 

[Ted]

Housefire vs waterhose? My money is on the housefire.

The guy was given a chance to leave peacefully, for his own safety. After looking at the pics, those houses were very, very close together. The guy, by going back, proved he wasnt going to listen to police. So police are supposed wrastle around with a guy feet away from an active fire? Sorry bro, I'm not taking that risk. I would have tased him too.

Wouldn't it have been easier to just turn off the water?

 

[Kutnupe14]

Wouldn't it have been easier to just turn off the water?

I'm not that smart

 

[9mmfan]

Wouldn't it have been easier to just turn off the water?

Mr Obvious wins again!

 

[Kutnupe14]

Please state the IC which give you that right?

Huh? You'll have to clarify, because i don't think IC is what you mean. Or do you?

 

[gunsisgood]

bad cop no donut.

 

[Ted]

Please state the IC which give you that right?

IC doesn't give anybody any rights. The government or its agents doesn't have rights either. The IC does provide the government and/or its agents authority in specific circumstances.

However, I agree with your sentiment that police force in this instance was likely excessive.....given the facts outlined in the story.

 

[DownByTheTracks]

The guy was given a chance to leave peacefully, for his own safety.

 

[Ted]

I'm not that smart

After reading your posts on INGO, I suspect otherwise.

Mr Obvious wins again!

Apparently its not so obvious to those Florida LEOs.

 

[9mmfan]

If a homeowner wants to put himself in danger protecting his home, what gives the 'state' a right to pull him 'out' of said danger?

 

[Ted]

If a homeowner wants to put himself in danger protecting his home, what gives the 'state' a right to pull him 'out' of said danger?

As stated above, the state has no rights, but they do have authority.

Was authority lawfully exercised under Florida law when the police ordered the man to cease his efforts and retreat away from the fire? Probably. Though the use of the taser, is likely to be deemed over the top.

 

[pirate]

If a homeowner wants to put himself in danger protecting his home, what gives the 'state' a right to pull him 'out' of said danger?

I completely agree. Leave it up to the person(s) if they so choose to help save their own property... This makes me very angry. I felt the same way about how HS would only let people into their homes around that blast the other day a few at a time while being monitored. Its Their HOUSE. Let them to their own possible fates...

 

[usaf64]

If a homeowner wants to put himself in danger protecting his home, what gives the 'state' a right to pull him 'out' of said danger?

I spent 38 years in the fire service before I retired. If a civilian tries to keep a fire from spreading to his house, I say go for it. It doesn't take a lot of water to protect structres exposed to a fire. The further apart the structures are, the more likely he would be successful. All you have to do it spray water on the exposed combustible materials. The type of construction also matters. A brick house is less of an exposure hazard than say a wood shake or wood frame house.

If he gets hot enough, and he will, he'll give it up and leave. Personally, I don't blame the guy. He at least wanted to give it a try. I also see the cops' point of view. 99% of the time they do the right thing. Let me up that percentage to 99.99%. I'm sure they were just trying to get the guy out of there without getting themselves injured. The last I heard, their uniforms are not Nomex or any other fire retardant material.

Just my two cents worth.

 

[mrjarrell]

As stated above, the state has no rights, but they do have authority.

Was authority lawfully exercised under Florida law when the police ordered the man to cease his efforts and retreat away from the fire? Probably. Though the use of the taser, is likely to be deemed over the top.

Unlikely. They could have unloaded on him with their sidearms and patrol rifles and only the public would think it was "over the top". They'd get to sit at a desk for a week or two and then be right back out on the streets. "We thought the spray nozzle was a gun".

 

[jsharmon7]

According to the story, the firefighters weren't on-scene yet. In that case, I say let the guy have at it. Once the firefighters arrive though you need to get out of the way so they can properly extinguish the fire.