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  1. #4451
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    Sadly, that's how we have been losing. While we ignore them, they are active and making changes to the culture. That's how they educate/indoctrinate young people in primary school and college. That is how we lose our free speech and gun rights, by producing more and more people who are not educated on the value of the Bill of Rights. That is how we lose our economy, by having more and more socialists created using our tax dollars to destroy the free market golden goose. That's how we lose our ability to speak freely at work, in the public arena and online.

    I certainly understand your point of view and sympathize with it, but that is precisely how we are losing the culture and the country.

    As the Instapundit has said many times:
    You may not be interested in the Gleichschaltung, but the Gleichschaltung is interested in you.
    I hope the Russians trick me into voting for Trump again in 2020!

  2. #4452
    Cogito, ergo porto.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phase2 View Post
    Sadly, that's how we have been losing. While we ignore them, they are active and making changes to the culture. That's how they educate/indoctrinate young people in primary school and college. That is how we lose our free speech and gun rights, by producing more and more people who are not educated on the value of the Bill of Rights. That is how we lose our economy, by having more and more socialists created using our tax dollars to destroy the free market golden goose. That's how we lose our ability to speak freely at work, in the public arena and online.

    I certainly understand your point of view and sympathize with it, but that is precisely how we are losing the culture and the country.

    As the Instapundit has said many times:
    Valid points, all. I was referring more to how I/we, as adults, respond when for example, Fredo Cuomo or Piers Morgan tries to lecture us on guns, we dismiss their ramblings as factless drivel, because thatís what it is. Itís not worthy of serious consideration, let alone debate, because itíd be like debating a four year old on what time it is and that being bedtime.

    At at the same time, we need to be educated enough as to the inanities of their screed not because it has value, but because when the people who donít know better repeat those inanities out of ignorance, it is incumbent upon us to relieve them of their ignorance: high-capacity? No, a 30rd magazine is what the rifle is designed for. Thatís ďstandard capacityĒ. Itís like if your car, with an 18 gallon tank, suddenly (due to energy shortage?) has to have a device put in it to reduce it to 10 gallons. ďNo one needs an 18 gallon tank, after all, thatís a high capacity tank.

    i get your meaning fully. Iím sorry I wasnít more clear in my response... I believe they should be called out, pilloried with their own ludicrous arguments, and violated with the pineapple of logic. Thank you for pointing out my vagaries; the mental picture above... AOC? Bloomberg? Schumer?.... is a freebie.

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    Bill

    and yes, good sir Watchmaker, you are correct. Bill is back, and may God have mercy on your souls.

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    Itís fine to be dismissive. But while being dismissive I think itís time to be more vocally dismissive. Example:

    ďThatís an exceptionally idiotic idea; this is why your idea is stupid ... ď
    -spreading the word to end the r-word is retarded
    -activism is retarded because, what if youíre full of ****?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamil View Post
    Itís fine to be dismissive. But while being dismissive I think itís time to be more vocally dismissive. Example:

    ďThatís an exceptionally idiotic idea; this is why your idea is stupid ... ď
    I prefer the 3 question approach:
    1. What do you mean by that? Just to be sure I heard correctly and didn't filter it somehow.
    2. Why do you think that? Now the reasoning (if any) comes out. In the more thoughtful, it can be the beginning of self-correction.
    3. Have you considered this alternative/other explanation/this idea from outside the echo chamber? You listened to them, they owe you a listen (doesn't mean they will actually listen, though.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by spencer rifle View Post
    I prefer the 3 question approach:
    1. What do you mean by that? Just to be sure I heard correctly and didn't filter it somehow.
    2. Why do you think that? Now the reasoning (if any) comes out. In the more thoughtful, it can be the beginning of self-correction.
    3. Have you considered this alternative/other explanation/this idea from outside the echo chamber? You listened to them, they owe you a listen (doesn't mean they will actually listen, though.)
    This has been my approach as well. No matter how stupid someone's viewpoint, idea or opinion is, calling it stupid right off the bat almost ensures the other person digs in and refuses to listen to the argument or facts you're trying to present.

    I try and find common ground on something early in the discussion. It helps them realize you aren't there to attack them, and can counter straw man arguments before they can throw them out there.

    I try to start any gun conversation with something like, "We can both agree that we want to do something to try and decrease the frequency of mass shootings, right?" Or, "can we both agree that neither of us wants to see kids get shot?"

    Then you can go into explaining that you have similar goals, but different viewpoints on how to accomplish them.
    Well the sheriff couldn't catch me now, but his little girl? Sure wish she would.

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    Every negative experience I have ever had was with someone telling me I was doing something illegal. I have always been able to explain the law to them to the point where they either left in a huff or told me to go my way. Sometime both.

    I have never actually been accosted by an anti-gun civilian.

    I do have a friend that was not gun friendly who now carries.




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    you have friends?
    I'm impressed.
    Surprised even.



    "Una salus victis nullam sperare salutem."

    "A citizen may not be required to offer a 'good and substantial reason' why he should be permitted to exercise his rights. The rights existence is all the reason he needs." Benson Everett Legg - Woolard v. Sheridan

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    That hurts coming from you.




  9. #4459
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    There sure aren't many PICTURES in this thread . . . . . .
    With so many places beating dicks I think it's gonna hurt dicks bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hkindiana View Post
    There sure aren't many PICTURES in this thread . . . . . .
    And yet, you decided to post words instead of a picture...

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