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    "GamerGate" - The call for transparency and ethics reform in game industry media

    I waffled back and forth whether to post something about this here, or the political subforum. It's been going on for a few weeks now, and it's downright sickening the things that have happened. It's focused on "Social Justice Warriors", and steeped in militant feminism. It began with an Indie "game developer" named "Zoe Quinn" sleeping around to get her game noticed. Various websites (Reddit, 4Chan, etc) were censoring the topic outright.

    It's sort of odd, but it also ties in with Robin Williams death, as Zoe's game was greenlit and released for free on Steam shortly after, titled "Depression Quest". However, it's very hard to explain if you haven't followed it from the beginning. I found a couple of "summaries", or "cliffs notes" versions of it...

    What is gamergate? - Imgur
    Gamergate Explained - Imgur

    Here's the latest big news:

    Exposed: Secret mailing list group of huge gaming journalists where they plan what version of a news piece they will put out together.
    What drives the angry feminist journalists slating GamerGate?
    http://nichegamer.net/2014/09/gamerg...-xbox-edition/
    Game journalism ethics is in need of change


    ... and Internet Aristocrat made some absolutely EXCELLENT videos on the topic. Be warned, they are very NSFW for language:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5-51PfwI3M
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKmy5OKg6lo
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km3DZQp0StE

    ...another good video on the subject of men/women and gaming:

    http://www.youtube.com/attribution_l...eature%3Dshare

    ...and TotalBiscuit's take on gaming journalism:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e78J...TawC-k7PVjHXKQ

    Here's an article in Forbes

    GamerGate: A Closer Look At The Controversy Sweeping Video Games - Forbes


    Here's a comprehensive summary of events (NSFW language)

    http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInActi...ive_faq_about/

    I also waffled on whether or not to post this in the Political subforum, due to its relation to feminism and, at times, politics in general:

    https://medium.com/@cainejw/the-fact...k-f5ae584f56da

    There are some celebs getting in on the discussion. Notably Adam Baldwin

    A few more thoughts on GamerGate Hot Air
    GamerGate | Know Your Meme
    The Fine Young Capitalists' IndieGoGo Gets Support From The Last Ship's Adam Baldwin


    I hope I've presented enough information here on the subject, so that we may discuss it. I know there are a lot of gamers here that may be unaware of what's going on.

    I know the initial videos are long, but you can't really opine too greatly on this until you understand the timeline, and those are the only ones I've found so far that cover it in great detail.
    Last edited by GPIA7R; 09-18-2014 at 08:36.
    Let that be my contrarian reply...

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    haha

    Wow. I've been involved in some indie game development over the years, but never saw anything like that!

    I do know that emotions run deep, with people jumping teams and "leaks" that sometimes aren't leaks and hacks that sometimes aren't hacks.

    It can be very telenovella-ish.
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    Alright , I made it through 11 minutes Internet Aristocrats first video then found myself dazing into my own depression quest and seriously considering shoving a sharp pencil in my ear .

    Full disclosure , I play COD BO2 online , Dock-one .

    She made a crap game that was never gonna see the light of day and she used the honey pot to get it off the ground .

    So a chick used what God gave her to get what she wants in this life , that has been going on since time began and I'm wondering why I should give two ****s about this ?

    The MSM lies to us ? Say it ain't so ! Again , two ****s ?
    It isn't serendipity , it's willful genocide .

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    The BOFH GPIA7R's Avatar

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ADMNLOVER View Post
    Alright , I made it through 11 minutes Internet Aristocrats first video then found myself dazing into my own depression quest and seriously considering shoving a sharp pencil in my ear .

    Full disclosure , I play COD BO2 online , Dock-one .

    She made a crap game that was never gonna see the light of day and she used the honey pot to get it off the ground .

    So a chick used what God gave her to get what she wants in this life , that has been going on since time began and I'm wondering why I should give two ****s about this ?

    The MSM lies to us ? Say it ain't so ! Again , two ****s ?
    Far more to it. She fabricated a story about people "doxxing" her, attacking her online... which was proven false (and many other parts covered in the other videos). She used the defense of "being a woman", which rallied the SJW's to her cause, as well as the more corrupt journalists. The brightest lights were shone on it when sites like Reddit and 4Chan were actively censoring and banning users that even discussed it.

    You glossed the surface, but the "two ****s" are certainly there.
    Let that be my contrarian reply...

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    I consider myself a gamer but have never even heard of **** like this. I guess I'm not into Indy games or whatever that **** is.

    Honestly, I think everyone needs to grow thicker skin and stop wearing their feelings on their sleeve

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    This is what I see.

    1) SJWs manufactured outrage for profit. Again.
    2) Gamers are embarrassed publicly since they let the little head lead the big head, even though they think and possibly say they're not like that

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    The whole indie game dev scene is kinda a brave new world without any real rules or constraints. Kinda like all the unwritten baseball rules.

    Is it male dominated? Sure. Guess who does most of the c0d1ng. Young male c0d3r geeks with lackluster interpersonal sk33lz. Can women code? Sure. But they have to understand going into it what the scene is like. Looks like Zoe is picking and choozing choosing certain parts to use for her benefit. I don't see anything wrong with it in the big picture.

    Maybe this will bring some maturity to the situation, but I doubt it. With that maturity might come the realization that few people are truly altruistic - men, women, journalists, game devs, game players, game publishers, development tool developers, etc.
    Resident Warning Shot Statist.

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    I've been following this on another site, and what I could gather was basically;
    - someone allegedly slept around to get favourable reviews
    - same person sabotaged a games event because it competed with hers
    - this person got called out on it
    - games journalists start publishing articles not on the accusations, but that gamers are misogynists/racists/homophobes
    - accusations of corruption and nepotism in gaming journalism
    - SJWs get involved
    - lots of name calling and accusations which do their intended purpose of distracting from the actual topic at hand

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    Quote Originally Posted by OakRiver View Post
    I've been following this on another site, and what I could gather was basically;
    - someone allegedly slept around to get favourable reviews
    - same person sabotaged a games event because it competed with hers
    - this person got called out on it
    - games journalists start publishing articles not on the accusations, but that gamers are misogynists/racists/homophobes
    - accusations of corruption and nepotism in gaming journalism
    - SJWs get involved
    - lots of name calling and accusations which do their intended purpose of distracting from the actual topic at hand
    Sooooooo, uber nerd war? Mmmkay, thanks.
    Necessity is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.

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