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    Quote Originally Posted by chipbennett View Post
    And Michael Brown was killed for walking in the middle of the street.
    Some other classics:

    And Eric Garner was killed for selling loose cigarettes.

    And Trayvon Martin was killed for walking with Skittles.

    Ex hoc ergo propter hoc headlines FTW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chipbennett View Post
    Ex hoc ergo propter hoc headlines FTW.
    Its like Facebook as invaded INGO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbhausen View Post
    Wrong Coke to put oneself in harm's way over...

    And now you know why places with self-serve fountains give clear cups to those who pay less for water.
    This is why the retirees in the morning breakfast club at our local McDs drink Sprite
    They would need a couple paddywagons to get all the soda thiefs here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eldirector View Post
    Its like Facebook as invaded INGO.
    I think Facebook learned it from INGO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JettaKnight View Post
    I think Facebook learned it from INGO.
    All I know is that if cops were involved, they were wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chipbennett View Post
    Some other classics:

    And Eric Garner was killed for selling loose cigarettes.

    And Trayvon Martin was killed for walking with Skittles.

    Ex hoc ergo propter hoc headlines FTW.
    I'm not sure that I'd put the Eric Garner instance in with the others. The other two were active combatants, Garner passively resisted. The amount of force used to subdue Garner was over the top. And the reason for the arrest appears to be somewhat iffy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kutnupe14 View Post
    I'm not sure that I'd put the Eric Garner instance in with the others. The other two were active combatants, Garner passively resisted. The amount of force used to subdue Garner was over the top. And the reason for the arrest appears to be somewhat iffy.
    The ex hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy applies to Garner, too, regardless, given that people claim that he was killed for "selling loosies".

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    Quote Originally Posted by chipbennett View Post
    The ex hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy applies to Garner, too, regardless, given that people claim that he was killed for "selling loosies".
    Well it is a very appropriate example of the possible outcome of having excessive legislation. Another individual was shot over a seat belt violation. While you can claim in both cases that no officer of the government intended to kill or wound these people for their infractions, that is ultimately a risk of enforcement of any law.

    The person mentioned in this thread, otoh, was a thief. If we don't enforce laws against stealing, we would have no way of maintaining our property rights.

    Very different issues, IMO. Government has no business in cigarette sales, seat belts, or a myriad of other activities and choices. Government does have a business in preserving personal liberty, which includes your property.

    Saying that Eric Garner wasn't killed over selling cigarettes is like telling me I won't go to jail if I refuse to pay my taxes. There may be other intermediate enforcement steps, but ultimately you give in to the violation or force is used against you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dusty88 View Post
    Well it is a very appropriate example of the possible outcome of having excessive legislation. Another individual was shot over a seat belt violation. While you can claim in both cases that no officer of the government intended to kill or wound these people for their infractions, that is ultimately a risk of enforcement of any law.
    There are two different stories you might be referencing here. In either case: you're still exhibiting ex hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.

    The person mentioned in this thread, otoh, was a thief. If we don't enforce laws against stealing, we would have no way of maintaining our property rights.

    Very different issues, IMO. Government has no business in cigarette sales, seat belts, or a myriad of other activities and choices. Government does have a business in preserving personal liberty, which includes your property.

    Saying that Eric Garner wasn't killed over selling cigarettes is like telling me I won't go to jail if I refuse to pay my taxes. There may be other intermediate enforcement steps, but ultimately you give in to the violation or force is used against you.
    No, because the statutory penalty for not paying your taxes includes incarceration. If you wanted to make an analogous statement, you would have to say that you could be killed for not paying your taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chipbennett View Post
    There are two different stories you might be referencing here. In either case: you're still exhibiting ex hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.



    No, because the statutory penalty for not paying your taxes includes incarceration. If you wanted to make an analogous statement, you would have to say that you could be killed for not paying your taxes.
    Well I'll certainly have the potential to be killed if i try to refuse the incarceration.

    We as citizens should not support the type of regulations that are not worth dying over.


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