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    A year or two ago, I read an article about the confusion in climate science. The models that they had developed simply were unable to explain a 16 year pause in the warming of the earth that they would predict. The models worked until they didn't.

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    It is all of those fans that they are putting up, not to mention those panels they use to capture the suns heat.




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    Science is hard.



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    Science is hard Particles packed closely together and are not free to move.
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    https://www.sciencealert.com/99-9999...is-empty-space

    99.9999999% of Your Body Is Empty Space





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    Quote Originally Posted by 2A_Tom View Post
    https://www.sciencealert.com/99-9999...is-empty-space

    99.9999999% of Your Body Is Empty Space
    I have certainly seen evidence of this in many a cranium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    A year or two ago, I read an article about the confusion in climate science. The models that they had developed simply were unable to explain a 16 year pause in the warming of the earth that they would predict. The models worked until they didn't.


    This represents the beauty of science. Science takes known facts (which are provable and not science in and of themselves) and draws conclusions based upon them. The conclusions are tested and retested, and if the tests all come out the same then eventually a theory is developed. (I am not being 100% definitively correct, but ya'll get the general idea.)

    When a deviation from the predicted model occurs this can mean one or more things. It can mean the model was wrong, or it can mean that an unknown variable wasn't accounted for, or it can mean multiple unknowns were unaccounted for, or it can mean multiples of the above, meaning that the model was wrong and there was one or more unknown variables.

    For example, ships have a buoyancy. How in the heck can a steel ship weighing thousands of tons float on water? But it does - until it doesn't.

    Now we have a previously unknown variable, methane gas, that can possibly(?) cause ships to sink suddenly and without explanation. Link:Could methane bubbles sink ships? - Technology & science - Science | NBC News

    I think the problem with science is that most people like to deal with known quantities. We know how much our car insurance will be next month, we can predict our income out several monthes based upon the past few monthes, we know what our rent or mortgage is, etc. We become very uncomfortable with the unknown. So that when a previously presumed model of prediction is challenged many people will emotionally reject the challenge as it creates unknowable's for the future. A true scientist doesn't emotionally invest in a model or theory, but that is a very hard state of being to acquire.

    Maybe there wasn't a 16 year pause in warming. Maybe the facts are wrong. Maybe not. Maybe the model was wrong. Maybe not. But none of this means the model should not have been created or that the desire to create the model was wrong, only that there may have been an error, or an unknown variable, or both in the model. This is why science is a method for extracting purer truth than we have today, but absolute purity will almost never be achieved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.Lex View Post
    This reveals a significant lack of knowledge of history.

    Sure, organized religion (of several different traditions) and science have had contentious periods, but the roots of science lie in religious exploration of God's works.

    To bastardize the quote of a friend, "No need to reject a deity" in order to justify science.
    So the Nobel laureates tell it:



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    Quote Originally Posted by eldirector View Post
    I have certainly seen evidence of this in many a cranium.


    So that explains the whistling I keep hearing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by T.Lex View Post
    This reveals a significant lack of knowledge of history.

    Sure, organized religion (of several different traditions) and science have had contentious periods, but the roots of science lie in religious exploration of God's works.

    To bastardize the quote of a friend, "No need to reject a deity" in order to justify science.
    Well, it is accurate history, complete with forbidding peasants & slaves from learning to read, to keeping religious texts in Latin so peasants couldn't read 'Scripture' in a native language...
    No one outside the church was supposed to read the actual words and decide for themselves what the intent was, everything was guided via the 'Anointed'.

    And, like science deniers everywhere I've met, you have it backwards.

    No need to reject science to justify religion/deity.
    Science doesn't care if it can't be measured, weighed, proven in a repeatable way under scientific standards.

    Every 'Religious' person I've known believes science is trying to 'Kill God'.
    It's dogma from the churches, ingrained into them from the first words to the grave.

    Science doesn't care about religion other than religions exist.
    Since science can't measure, weigh, quantify, classify or reproduce how 'Religious' someone is,
    Religion falls into the 'Social Construct' category.
    If religion is how you want to socialize, have at it.

    No different than the Elks, Moose, Eagles, VFW, motorcycle clubs, sewing circles in respect to social groups, as long as you don't break the laws or infringe on the rights of others, it's harmless, and might actually be helpful.

    Let's also keep in mind no one in history ever started a war over science.
    While it's humans choice to use science in wars, science doesn't start wars.
    Again, diametrically opposed to religion in this respect...

    I'm sure I'll get jumped on from all sides for this, though it's my personal viewpoint...
    It takes zero education to be 'Religious'.
    Anyone from any background, with any education level, with any abilities, from just enough IQ points to communicate, can decide they are 'Religious'.
    From 200+ IQ to barely able to communicate.
    This is because 'Religion' is a 'Feeling', and no one can dispute or disprove, or confirm a 'Feeling'.

    AND, they can switch back & forth at will, simply because no one can prove/disprove a 'Feeling'.
    The psychopath mass murder that didn't even leave the dog alive can say he found 'Religion' and no one can prove, or disprove that claim, as an extreme example.

    While actual Science is peer reviewed, MUST be repeatable under scientific, controlled standards.
    Even if you are the 'Smartest' person in the world, you are going to face a peer review of HUNDREDS, maybe thousands, and collectively they will punch holes in the most cleverly crafted deception, or find any mistakes made in the experiment.
    You may be the smartest person in the room, but you aren't smarter than all experts in the field combined, and THE SCIENCE is first & foremost.

    Emotion & 'Belief' don't enter into science, it's 100% results based,
    While religion is 100% emotion & 'Belief'.

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    As for the quote, "No reason to reject a deity in order to justify science"...

    There is one absloute way to prove a deity exists beyond all doubt.
    That deity simply has to appear, perform 'Miracles' (or what ever deities do) under controlled scientific standards for all interested, then a 'Deity' is on scientific radar.
    When all other explanations have been burned away in the scientific process, and only a 'Miracle' remains, then the deity will be scientifically accepted.
    It's all rather simple, but at this time a bunch of frauds have been exposed using scientific methods, but no actual deities have taken up the challenge to date...

    You all expect everyone else to prove what they say, but when science does just that very thing, you deny science as a whole?
    That's schizophrenic at best, and down right lunatic, carpet eating crazy on average...

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