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  • Hiram Abiff

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    FRESNO, Calif. — A police officer shot and killed a 17-year-old high school student Wednesday after authorities said the teenager clubbed the officer with a baseball bat on the packed, urban campus.
    The officer fired at the student shortly before noon, after the Roosevelt High School sophomore allegedly came from behind and struck the officer in the head with a crude wooden baseball bat, Fresno Police Chief Jerry Dyer said.
    The officer fell down dazed, and reached for the gun in his hip holster, but the clip fell out.
    As the student came at him a second time, the officer grabbed a secondary weapon — a semiautomatic handgun he carried as backup — from his ankle holster and fired one or two rounds, Dyer said. The student reportedly died within a few minutes.
    "The officer was fortunate that he was able to defend himself," the chief said. "This officer had a secondary weapon that very likely could have saved his life."
    The cause of the attack was not immediately known, and the officer did not know the student, Dyer said. There was no history of prior run-ins between the teen and the officer, who has been assigned to the school by the police department for the last three years, he said.
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    Police did not immediately release the identities of the officer or student, who was described as a Fresno resident who transferred to the school in January. The teenager was 6 feet tall and 250 pounds — larger than the officer, authorities said.
    The officer was released from a local hospital Wednesday afternoon after being treated for a two-inch gash on the right side of his head, police said. He will be placed on administrative leave while the department reviews his conduct, Dyer said.
    At least five students and a probation officer on campus witnessed the incident directly, but no one else was injured in the shooting, police said.
    The campus was locked down for several hours as detectives combed the white school buildings and interviewed witnesses.
    An automated system called all parents in the district to notify them of the shooting about three hours after it occurred, and parents of Roosevelt High School students received a second message stating that all students and staff were safe an hour later.
    "The school district obviously is very saddened by this tragedy on campus, however our students on campus are safe," said Ruth Quinto, acting superintendent of Fresno Unified School District. "There certainly will continue to be support provided to all of our students here on the campus and, in particular, any witnesses to this tragedy."
    Six extra district psychologists will be sent to the school Thursday to counsel students and staff, said district spokeswoman Susan Bedi.
    By 2 p.m., students were allowed to leave the campus gates, where they found a crowd of nervous parents and family members waiting.
    Dana Vasquez, a 14-year-old freshman, was on her way to gym class when the situation erupted in an outdoor hallway between two buildings.
    "I just saw a bat swinging in the air and heard a gunshot and then I just started running," Vasquez said. She was visibly shaken when she left the school holding her mother's arm.
    Ray Mendez, a volunteer at the school, said he was speaking to a remedial English class when he heard a loud popping sound outside the classroom.
    "That's went I went down and saw the young man lying there and the officer was bleeding from his head. This was a real shocker. We try to prevent these kind of events at all costs," Mendez said.
    Silvia Carrillo, whose daughter is a sophomore at Roosevelt High, said the shooting did not seem justified.
    "My son and my brother went to school here too, and nothing like this ever happened. I think this wasn't enough for him to kill the kid," she said.
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    melensdad

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    First, I don't think it is prudent to have a primary carry weapon that has a magazine disconnect. If his magazine fell out and he couldn't get off the chambered round then that is a problem!

    The kid who was swinging the bat should have been put down with the primary gun, or at least shot 1 time with that weapon, buying the officer time to collect his secondary weapon and assessing the need to continue his defense.
     

    Lars

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    First, I don't think it is prudent to have a primary carry weapon that has a magazine disconnect.

    couldn't agree more. Then again, we have the Peoples Replublik of Kaliforniastan to blame for this idiocy don't we.

    most pistols with a mag disconnect, can be easily altered to no longer have said "safety." I know in the S&W M&P series of pistols, it takes about 24 seconds to disable the mag disconnect, or you can just purchase a model that didn't come with it in the first place.
     

    Pete-FWA

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    Silvia Carrillo, whose daughter is a sophomore at Roosevelt High, said the shooting did not seem justified.
    "My son and my brother went to school here too, and nothing like this ever happened. I think this wasn't enough for him to kill the kid," she said.
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    Ms. Carrillo must be completely off her rocker!

    Yeah, things were OK in the past, so she wants us to ignore eye witness reports of a sizeable punk taking a potentially fatal cheap shot at a trained, armed officer of the law. She also wants us to ignore the fact that, after the officer was down, the attacker came at him a second time.

    Yeah, that poor kid who got killed...
    The poor idiot who, again, made an attempt on the life of an officer trained to defend others and himself with lethal force when required, was shot and later died.

    I feel for the officer who had to put the attacker down. He did the right thing, but what a horrible situation to be put in. I hope his injuries heal completely and that he suffered no permanent physical harm.
     

    Pami

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    Unfortunately, I think that's how a lot of anti-[violence] people will see it, though. The kid had a baseball bat, and the officer responded with a gun. I can already hear the "excessive force" arguments... nevermind that the LEO's first gun failed because the mag dropped out of it (suggesting the kid had to be aware that Bad Things would happen if he continued).

    I'm just glad that 1) it was an actual LEO because it's more accepted for LEOs to have firearms (according to the general populace), and 2) that the chief appears to initially support the decision and is glad that the LEO had a backup weapon to use to defend himself. The chief was very smart to use the key phrases "able to defend" and "saved his life."
     

    abnk

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    "The teenager was 6 feet tall and 250 pounds — larger than the officer, authorities said.
    The officer was released from a local hospital Wednesday afternoon after being treated for a two-inch gash on the right side of his head, police said.
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    I doubt anyone can argue in court that it was not a good shoot.
     

    Pete-FWA

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    I'm just glad that 1) it was an actual LEO because it's more accepted for LEOs to have firearms (according to the general populace), and 2) that the chief appears to initially support the decision and is glad that the LEO had a backup weapon to use to defend himself. The chief was very smart to use the key phrases "able to defend" and "saved his life."

    Very good points

    I mentioned the story to a few people today and all had the same reactions that are in this thread: sounds like this kid was trying to kill and the officer responded accordingly.
     
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