I just finished up telling an employee their position is being eliminated at the end of the year. One of the hardest things I have ever done. In a small company, it is very difficult to maintain pure employer - employee relationships. This is especially true when folks tend not to leave the company. But things evolve and what needed two or three people 10 years ago is now easily done by one.
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I'm in the same position. I was the manager, and now the owner of a small company. Hiring and firing are the two absolute worst parts of the job. You hope the person you hire works out, and when they don't, it's like firing the whole family. It makes me sad, but sometimes it is necessary.
Absolutely a kick in the Junk.....Happy Holidays.
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Tends to happen at the end of fiscal years, so the new year starts without the expense. At least they got a month's notice. Usually a lot of job openings at the beginning of the year, for the same reason. All the new budgets kick off, and folks can hire.
My wife had the same thing happen last month, but was “lucky” enough to be asked to stay until the end of the year. One guy with 30 years of experience, was let go, over the phone, while on business travel. He flew back to the office and was escorted out the next morning. No claim that he had done anything wrong, just “we are closing the office in Indy”.
Easy to to believe that your loyalty goes both ways at work, but the politics can change on a dime.
Easy to to believe that your loyalty goes both ways at work, but the politics can change on a dime.
Truth and they did give a month. Yes it does suck to be the messenger.
Just reminded me of how the spouse found out her job (and several others) was gone. Came into work and everyone's things were boxed up and at the security desk. Take your box and re-interview if you want your job back. he company had been bought.
She gave them some time. They wanted her but the job was inn New Jersey. You are kidding right....seriously......WTF.
I've done both hiring's and firings. Sometimes it stinks, sometimes it cathartic, I've fired 8 in one day and more than a few who deserved a good kick in the junk (though my QA considered me a heartless SOB...and he meant it as a compliment). The time of year has almost always been determined by contract cycles. One guy I had to ditch off cycle because he was a sexual harassment and security threat...he had good employees threatening to quit.
If your in charge you have to deal with it...part of the job; if you own the business even more so. It's not personal (usually) it's supply and demand. If your employer no longer needs what you supply...adapt or move on to see what the demand is elsewhere. If you think that's heartless get ready for the permanent hell of socialism. Should the employer buy months of negative earnings to drag them through the holidays? Should he take it from his 401k? For some no amount of money is too much else for someone else to give.
If your in charge you have to deal with it...part of the job; if you own the business even more so. It's not personal (usually) it's supply and demand. If your employer no longer needs what you supply...adapt or move on to see what the demand is elsewhere. If you think that's heartless get ready for the permanent hell of socialism. Should the employer buy months of negative earnings to drag them through the holidays? Should he take it from his 401k? For some no amount of money is too much else for someone else to give.
And it is almost ENTIRELY for that reason that there is such a LACK of LOYALTY on the part of Gen X and Gen Y.
Watching their parents get ****canned after decades of service tends to do that.
So we can sit and talk and think about this as though it is one company, or one recession that's causing it, but it is really a general lack of loyalty and value for fellow humans. The same phenomenon may be responsible for school shooting sprees, etc. Where that's come from I don't know, but it's worked it's way into corporate America through-and-through.
In the board rooms of America, Gen X & Y workers tend to draw criticism for being money-grubbing ship jumpers. Though that can clearly be incontrovertible TRUTH, "these damn kids" are making decisions based on the only matrix they have (one heavily weighted towards self-preservation), and are able to move companies 5+ times in a decade. For the record, that's not really good for anybody.
The absurdity and irony of all this is that the ROOT CAUSES of this can ONLY lie with Executive America (hint: they ain't Gen X) while so much of the critical dialogue comes.
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Well, having been a manager and hired/fired people it is not the case you state. No employer starts out wanting to hurt their employees. Some union situations force them to be abrupt.
I worked for a non union company and it was with skilled employees that were an asset to us. If you lie, steal, cheat or are a danger to others, you are terminated abruptly. I have been involved in all of these situations.
There is nothing personal about being escorted out the door or finding your things at the front desk. It is simply a security measure given some peoples reaction.
I was always respectful but direct. It was never fun.
Don
I have managed a few service dept. working with some very sharp self motivated people. Finding good people to fill the seats in the service trucks was a major challenge. Keeping them in a very competitive market is just as hard. When a person knows jobs are a phone call away they do not put up with any crap. Managing them is sometimes challenging but mostly good times. Keeping them busy is the key.
In this I have had to let people go for a host of reasons mostly sub-par performance. Dishonest and deviate behavior. Being timely etc.
I get it. Totally.
As to finding your stuff in a box without warning company wide.....Bravo Sierra. That's crap. I don't care how you say it.
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As to finding your stuff in a box without warning company wide.....Bravo Sierra. That's crap. I don't care how you say it.
Agreed it is harsh. However, even decent people get upset. They can do a lot to disrupt a group in a short time.
Again. they were always treated with respect before and after from me.
Don
As to finding your stuff in a box without warning company wide.....Bravo Sierra. That's crap. I don't care how you say it.
Agreed it is harsh. However, even decent people get upset. They can do a lot to disrupt a group in a short time.
Again. they were always treated with respect before and after from me.
Don
