737 crashes after take off in Cuba - 100+ passengers onboard

[hoosierdoc]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-plane-carrying-107-passengers-12558587

ugh

Update: it landed in a field

 

[Spear Dane]

Aww. Damnit.

 

[churchmouse]

Words escape right now.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Now reported that three survived. Can you imagine? Curious where they were sitting

 

[Thor]

Now reported that three survived. Can you imagine? Curious where they were sitting

In the damn lucky seats.

 

[Thor]

Cubana Airline...I've seen a lot of Central and South American airlines...that I don't want to fly with ever.

 

[hoosierdoc]

In the damn lucky seats.

There is data about where to sit to have best chance of survival. Probably different for various crash reasons though

 

[PGRChaplain]

When it's your Time to Go, your Gone.........
Watching some TV Shows about lack of parts to repair Cars, How do Cubans maintain Aircraft?????

 

[hoosierdoc]

Planes are likely owned by the state. You think Fidel drove a 1960 pickup truck?

 

[Brad69]

The plane went into service in with Cuba in 1979 that’s like 40 years of duct tape and baling wire.

 

[4651feeder]

Planes are likely owned by the state. You think Fidel drove a 1960 pickup truck?

From the article "...[FONT=&quot]The 737 was operated by the state-run airline Cubana de Aviación (Cubana Airlines) but it had been leased from a small Mexican charter company called Damojh Aerolíneas (Global Air Mexico)...."

[/FONT]Believe the article also stated a Mexican crew manned the cockpit. From that would imagine repair and parts were sourced thru Mexico.

 

[BugI02]

79 was date of manufacture of the crashed a/c. No info on how long it was being operated for Cubana. That makes it a 737-100 or 200. JT8Ds low bypass fans on a par with what they reengined B52s with as far as sophistication of design. 14500-16500lbs thrust as opposed to 20000-23500lbs for the somewhat larger 737-300/400 with CFMs

Not the airplane/engine combo I'd want to be in if it huffed one above V1 near maxATOG

 

[hoosierdoc]

So... I understood none of your post.

 

[Thor]

So...a Dr without a pilots license? One Bonanza lives a bit longer.

 

[hoosierdoc]

So...a Dr without a pilots license? One Bonanza lives a bit longer.

Doctors and dentists, the anchors in the sky

supposedly the problem is financial ability to buy planes with capabilities beyond your expertise. A friend of ours’ best friend lost his dad (dentist) in a general aviation crash here in Indy. He was a dentist or oral surgeon I think.

but that was a heart attack I think. He became unconscious, family pulled the parachute lever and lived.

 

[BugI02]

So... I understood none of your post.

Both engines on that Cubana a/c produce barely as much thrust as one engine on a modern 737, and if operated at maxATOG (maximum actual take-off gross weight) it weighs about 80% of what a more modern version does. So basically, a modern 737 would perform as well on one engine as that thing will on two

V1 is a go/no go speed calculated from a/c take-off gross weight and runway length. It is a reference speed. At or below V1 if an engine fails you should have sufficient runway left to abort the takeoff and stop within the remaining distance. Above V1 you complete the takeoff on the one good engine because you don't have enough room to stop on the remaining runway. In theory you would come right back around and land on the thrust of that remaining engine. It is a situation that requires a lot from both the airplane and crew, and the higher the thrust to weight ratio of the a/c the happier you are

 

[hoosierdoc]

[video=youtube;5whMwSLnIPY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5whMwSLnIPY[/video]

 

[Spear Dane]

Say hello to the 'Fork tailed doctor killer.' For those with more money than sense. It almost killed Steve Wozniak. Well actually Woz almost killed himself. Didn't even have his high performance ticket when he went flying. Dummy.
It DID kill Buddy Holly, the Big Bopper and Richie Valens. Ever wonder how singer Jim Reeves died? Now you know. Randy Rhoads? Splat. Lesser known game show host Peter Tomarken Also splat. A furniture store owner I used to know. SPLAT. Saw that one happen. Pretty ugly.

 

[femurphy77]

Now reported that three survived. Can you imagine? Curious where they were sitting

In the damn lucky seats.

There are vague references to the tail section being the safest during a plane crash. At least one flight attendant can attest to this fact: https://www.necn.com/news/national-...-33000-Foot-Fall-Survivor-Dies-408389795.html

 

[Thor]

There are vague references to the tail section being the safest during a plane crash. At least one flight attendant can attest to this fact: https://www.necn.com/news/national-...-33000-Foot-Fall-Survivor-Dies-408389795.html

I've heard this before...but I suppose it's for cases like that in the OP where everyone else dies. Those cases are infrequent enough that I prefer the window seat in an exit row. If things are going to get bad i want the door handle by me not some overweight out of shape person who never read the safety card that I'd have to throw out of the way before the plane burned to the ground. Trapped in the back by the toilets waiting for everyone to get out of the way? No thanks. On airliners that catch fire the average time to evacuate is 96 seconds.

Unless I get upgraded of course...then I'll take the free drinks and think about who I'm going to have to walk on to get out. Help people after I get out? You bet, but you'd better not be between me and the door while trying to gather your purse or computer bag.