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    Quote Originally Posted by KG1 View Post
    JT and rhino you seem like stand up individuals that got a raw deal. I know itís tough but hang in there. If I had a company that could use the skills and apparent dedication you can offer I would hire you both but unfortunately I donít.

    Anyway I just wanted to offer a few words of encouragement. I know it doesnít pay the bills but maybe it helps in some small way to know there are people that care about your plight.

    God bless.
    Thank you very much, sir! I appreciate the support.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JTScribe View Post
    Minnesota is a darn sight more appealing than Hindustan, though not by much.
    The key is that we were not offered an option to relocate with our jobs, so the end result was the same as outsourcing. I know a couple of people applied for new jobs there (one was hired and moved before the layoff), but in general it was not a situation where we could just choose to move and keep our job or even a job. You probably understand that, but I'm adding content to the conversation!



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    Quote Originally Posted by wtburnette View Post
    Sorry to hear that for both of you. Are you and rhino both in IT? Have you thought about looking into Information Security? A lot of times someone very familiar with infrastructure, development or other areas of IT can transition to better than entry level InfoSec and do reasonably well. It's a growing field and the top end pay is very nice. You may have to start out at a lower salary than you currently make, but if you work hard you can move up reasonably well. I had 16 years of infrastructure support when I got into InfoSec back in 2012 and I've gone from just over $50k/yr to just under $90k/yr in about 6 years. I fully expect to be over $100k/yr in the next couple of years and I've seen salaries in this field in the $125k-$160k range. Something to consider.

    I am not in IT, although some of what I have done touches the margins of the kind of stuff some IT people do (supporting the users of a specific online application). You make excellent points about the opportunities available now and likely in the future. It never hurts to learn as much about IT as you can, regardless of your career or job functions.

    I'm am always re-assessing my direction in life. Right now I'm heading toward applied statistics and data analysis (thus all of the math courses I am re-taking in order to prepare), but I no longer etch my tracks in stone. I'm in a catch-22 right now too. I have time to complete an Applied Statistics MS or certificate program because I am only working part time, but since I am only working part time, I don't have the money to pay for it (or enough for the rest of life as it stands now). I will work it out, though.



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    Quote Originally Posted by wtburnette View Post
    Sorry to hear that for both of you. Are you and rhino both in IT? Have you thought about looking into Information Security? A lot of times someone very familiar with infrastructure, development or other areas of IT can transition to better than entry level InfoSec and do reasonably well. It's a growing field and the top end pay is very nice. You may have to start out at a lower salary than you currently make, but if you work hard you can move up reasonably well. I had 16 years of infrastructure support when I got into InfoSec back in 2012 and I've gone from just over $50k/yr to just under $90k/yr in about 6 years. I fully expect to be over $100k/yr in the next couple of years and I've seen salaries in this field in the $125k-$160k range. Something to consider.
    Interesting.

    One of the more galling aspects of this whole thing is, we went 8 years without pay increases "to keep the company alive" and were told that once things turned around, we'd see the benefit. Not so much. In retrospect, I'd have probably been better off if I'd told them to shove their pay freeze and moved on back then. Alas.

    But how that aligns more with your post, I just crossed the 50K mark. So it might not be as a big pay cut to go into InfoSec as it would seem. I do wish I'd taken the time to get the stamp basic certs like my A+ and Network+, but I got a jaundiced view of certs after the fourth or fifth time I made a service call to a client account where the MCSA/CNE couldn't figure out a basic TCP/IP issue. I know the stuff, just don't necessarily have the piece of paper.

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    JT and Rhino, I certainly can sympathize with both of you. I spent 35 years with one company and got RIFed when I was 59 years old. I got a six month severence package. Spent four months looking and then started working a couple of temp jobs because I was getting really scared at being unemployed for so long even though I was still getting a paycheck.

    I started a new full-time job on the day my severance ran out. Of course, the new job was at a 35% reduction over what I had been making. We adjusted and adapted. While I have never been happy with the "pay cut", I absolutely enjoy what I have been doing for the last six years.

    I plan on working one more year and and formally retiring, although I have a couple of opportunities on the horizion to work two days/week that I may pursue.

    I wish you both all the best in your searches and look forward to seeing the good news when something comes through for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Squirrel View Post
    JT and Rhino, I certainly can sympathize with both of you. I spent 35 years with one company and got RIFed when I was 59 years old. I got a six month severence package. Spent four months looking and then started working a couple of temp jobs because I was getting really scared at being unemployed for so long even though I was still getting a paycheck.

    I started a new full-time job on the day my severance ran out. Of course, the new job was at a 35% reduction over what I had been making. We adjusted and adapted. While I have never been happy with the "pay cut", I absolutely enjoy what I have been doing for the last six years.

    I plan on working one more year and and formally retiring, although I have a couple of opportunities on the horizion to work two days/week that I may pursue.

    I wish you both all the best in your searches and look forward to seeing the good news when something comes through for you.
    Thanks for the support! Your story is a good reminder that things can work out.

    When our layoffs were first announced, I discussed my options with my boss (she is an amazing leader, supervisor, and lead-from-the-front boss), who suggested that focus on project management positions. It also seemed then like it would be unlikely that I'd have to take a pay cut (especially since my compensation for what I was doing was modest). As the search continues, the only positions for which I am being considered by employers are at significantly lower pay rates. The best so far (didn't get the job, by the way) would have been more than 1/3 pay cut from my previous salary. Of course, it's silly to think in those terms when right now it wouldn't be any kind of cut at all and the longer it goes, the less I'm worried about trying to satisfy my former financial obligations because I have to focus solely on getting something that 1) I can do, and 2) will pay the bills I can't eliminate.



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    JTS and rhino, don't look off field positions in technology. Utility companies often have tech positions as field techs, field instrumentation techs etc that require IT skills. It helps if you can also trouble shoot electronic instrumentation but that's not really that hard. Do either of you have basic electronics skills?

    I also know some peeps who are happily making book in specialized measurement technology - there are a number of companies that sell, install and maintain measurement devices such as truck scales, insustrial scales and laboratory scales

    Brechbuler[spelling] comes to mind over here, not sure how widespread they are. The job does require a lot of travel/overtime but usually home almost every night
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    Quote Originally Posted by BugI02 View Post
    JTS and rhino, don't look off field positions in technology. Utility companies often have tech positions as field techs, field instrumentation techs etc that require IT skills. It helps if you can also trouble shoot electronic instrumentation but that's not really that hard. Do either of you have basic electronics skills?

    I also know some peeps who are happily making book in specialized measurement technology - there are a number of companies that sell, install and maintain measurement devices such as truck scales, insustrial scales and laboratory scales

    Brechbuler[spelling] comes to mind over here, not sure how widespread they are. The job does require a lot of travel/overtime but usually home almost every night
    Oh, sure, big part of my job involved troubleshooting circuit boards. We didn't do much repair in the field, but I know my way around a soldering iron and a Fluke.

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    If you are someone who has responsibilities that no one else does, put in your two weeks notice tomorrow. If they ask why tell them you are branching out on your own as a consultant. If they want to hire you back until they train someone else, drain them dry as you do it to buy you some breathing room to find something new.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phylodog View Post
    If you are someone who has responsibilities that no one else does, put in your two weeks notice tomorrow. If they ask why tell them you are branching out on your own as a consultant. If they want to hire you back until they train someone else, drain them dry as you do it to buy you some breathing room to find something new.
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