Body of Crystal Lake 5 year old AJ Freund Found. Parents to be charged.

[yeahbaby]

Law enforcement keeping tight lid on specifics. Which makes complete sense. RIP AJ what a horrible situation.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/missing-illinois-boy-aj-freund/index.html

 

[Snapdragon]

I have no words.

 

[yeahbaby]

Updated link.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/24/us/missing-illinois-boy/index.html

 

[GREEN607]

This is truly so sad. I had a feeling that his mother, at least, was hiding something all along. Now we know the father was involved too. I just this morning first heard the father's 911 call, and he was WAY too calm when reporting his son missing.

At least we can have comfort, knowing that precious little soul is at peace, in the arms of Jesus, for eternity.

 

[PGRChaplain]

Saw the father's interview on the news last night, he was irritated because the police were looking at him as a suspect. Maybe he'll end up in general population and save those taxpayers a lot of cash.

 

[chocktaw2]

Our world is getting more, you know, everyday.

 

[d.kaufman]

So, so sad. My heart hurts after watching/reading about this.
I will never understand how a parent, or anyone for that matter, but especially a parent could do this to their own child
And no death penalty in Illinois! If there ever was a reason to reinstate it, this would be it.

Prayers to any family that cared and especially for the responders!

 

[Trigger Time]

I dont judge people on calmness. That doesn't mean someone is guilty or anything. I'm one of those few weird people that is calmer and thinks clearer under stress and pressure. Especially a 911 call you want every detail to be recorded and taken down and passed on. When you have to repeat yourself giving instructions in person or a 911 report, valuable seconds and minutes are lost.
I always told my kids if they fell and got hurt (and amazingly it works and they are trained) stop crying, breathe and talk normally so I can understand you and start addressing the problem. Cant understand crap or help crap when someone is hysterical and hyporventalating and now I have to treat that before i can even figure out why.

I also understand cops have their hoops to go through. I know that if something happened to my kid they gotta rule me and my wife out. Yeah, id be pissed because WE know we are innocent, but they are doing their jobs and I also know there are more than just those cops working the case. Remain calm. Think of any detail you can to assist the cops.


These parents are animals. I wish we could torture and kill them after trial

 

[actaeon277]

I dont judge people on calmness. I'm one of those few weird people that is calmer and thinks clearer under stress and pressure. Especially a 911 call you want every detail to be recorded and taken down and passed on. When you have to repeat yourself giving instructions in person or a 911 report, valuable seconds and minutes are lost.
I always told my kids if they fell and got hurt (and amazingly it works and they are trained) stop crying, breathe and talk normally so I can understand you and start addressing the problem. Cant understand crap or help crap when someone is hysterical and hyporventalating and now I have to treat that before i can even figure out why.

Would do the same when I taught the boy scouts.
We would practice.
Give name, location, nature of emergency.
Slow down.
Calm down.
Breath.

It always seems "funny" while practicing.
But, it seemed to help me during emergencies, so I'd like to pass it on.
Of course, I did have a bit of navy experience with emergencies also.
But it was basically, expanding on what the boy scouts already taught me.
Maneuvering, Machinery 2 Upper Level. (who you're calling, who you are) (people are referred to by their watchstation, the actual names are irrelevant)
Fire in Machinery 2 Upper Level.
Fire in the Port Vital Bus.

Start fighting the fire.
When the Damage Control team shows up..
a man takes over as "phone talker", and then it is determined who the senior man is.
then phone talker reports..
Maneuvering, Machinery 2 Upper Level.
Petty Officer Actaeon is in charge at the scene in Machinery 2. (Have to add where, in case there are multiple scenes).

 

[EPeter213]

I’m trying to figure out wher five counts of first degree murder come in. Did they find multiple bodies?

 

[GREEN607]

It's not five counts of First Degree, I don't believe.

In Illinois, I think the different types of murder charges are:

1st degree
2nd degree
3rd degree (negligent homicide)
Aggravated murder
Capital murder

Then there is also voluntary homicide and involuntary homicide; followed by justifiable homicide (which brings no criminal charges).
They will charge them with one count of each type, 1st, 2nd, and so on...... and hope that a jury will convict on ONE of the types. The different 'degrees' carry different sentencing guide lines. In Illinois, they abolished the death penalty (mandatory in CAPITAL murder)..... which in Illinois' case, converts to LIFE w/o parole.

 

[Snapdragon]

https://abc7ny.com/aj-freunds-parents-charged-after-missing-crystal-lake-boys-body-found/5267883/

"AJ's mother, Joann Cunningham, was charged with five counts of first-degree murder, four counts of aggravated battery, two counts of aggravated domestic battery, and one count of failure to report a missing or child death.

Andrew Freund Sr. was charged with five counts of first-degree murder, two counts of aggravated battery, one count of aggravated domestic battery, two counts of concealment of a homicidal death, and one count of failure to report a missing or child death. "

I don't understand how it can be, but that's what it says.

 

[GREEN607]

https://abc7ny.com/aj-freunds-parents-charged-after-missing-crystal-lake-boys-body-found/5267883/

"AJ's mother, Joann Cunningham, was charged with five counts of first-degree murder, four counts of aggravated battery, two counts of aggravated domestic battery, and one count of failure to report a missing or child death.

Andrew Freund Sr. was charged with five counts of first-degree murder, two counts of aggravated battery, one count of aggravated domestic battery, two counts of concealment of a homicidal death, and one count of failure to report a missing or child death. "

I don't understand how it can be, but that's what it says.

Wow! Go figure..... then again, it's ​Illinois.

 

[2A_Tom]

My skin crawled when the child was first reported missing. I have been hoping and praying that I was wrong and he would be found. I had a terrible feeling this is how it would end up.

 

[HoughMade]

Haven’t read any of the charging documents, but I’m guessing that it is 5 different theories of what supports a murder charge. Ultimately, 1 death 1 conviction for murder.

 

[KG1]

Haven’t read any of the charging documents, but I’m guessing that it is 5 different theories of what supports a murder charge. Ultimately, 1 death 1 conviction for murder.

I saw a reporter on the local news explaining it somewhat in a similar manner. I guess it's the way they do it in Illinois and it's done that way to pretty much cover all the bases.

 

[Mr Evilwrench]

I dont judge people on calmness. That doesn't mean someone is guilty or anything. I'm one of those few weird people that is calmer and thinks clearer under stress and pressure. Especially a 911 call you want every detail to be recorded and taken down and passed on. When you have to repeat yourself giving instructions in person or a 911 report, valuable seconds and minutes are lost.
I always told my kids if they fell and got hurt (and amazingly it works and they are trained) stop crying, breathe and talk normally so I can understand you and start addressing the problem. Cant understand crap or help crap when someone is hysterical and hyporventalating and now I have to treat that before i can even figure out why.

I also understand cops have their hoops to go through. I know that if something happened to my kid they gotta rule me and my wife out. Yeah, id be pissed because WE know we are innocent, but they are doing their jobs and I also know there are more than just those cops working the case. Remain calm. Think of any detail you can to assist the cops.


These parents are animals. I wish we could torture and kill them after trial

I agree completely. Among my various organ and system failures, I have no adrenaline reaction at all. No fight or flight, no panic, no tunnel vision, I don't even go into shock. I would be suspiciously unemotional.

 

[GREEN607]

I may have misspoken when I stated he was "too calm". A better word might be 'nonchalant'..... considering it's a 911 call about his 5 YEAR OLD son. Judge for yourselves.....

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https://www.scoopnest.com/user/CBSE...en-on-wednesday-night-after-being-put-to-bed/

 

[Trigger Time]

I may have misspoken when I stated he was "too calm". A better word might be 'nonchalant'..... considering it's a 911 call about his 5 YEAR OLD son. Judge for yourselves.....

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https://www.scoopnest.com/user/CBSE...en-on-wednesday-night-after-being-put-to-bed/

Yeah I agree with you. He seems nonchant for sure to me too.
Sounds like these parents should have never had a child to care for in the first place. Poor poor sweet boy. Being a parent these stories of children being abused and harmed make me feel ill and sad. I dont get like that over much anymore.
When i see these cops have an emotional response I dont blame them one bit. I thank them for taking on that burden. And im glad they still have their humanity left.
Thats what seperates monsters from good people

 

[GREEN607]

Yeah I agree with you. He seems nonchant for sure to me too.
Sounds like these parents should have never had a child to care for in the first place. Poor poor sweet boy. Being a parent these stories of children being abused and harmed make me feel ill and sad. I dont get like that over much anymore.
When i see these cops have an emotional response I dont blame them one bit. I thank them for taking on that burden. And im glad they still have their humanity left.
Thats what seperates monsters from good people

Yeah, maybe it's just me..... but I feel I certainly would have worded it differently in making that 911 call. I surely would have, w/o being asked, said right off "Our 5 year old boy is missing." Not yea, um we have a missing child. "We've checked the neighborhood and a couple other places, and we need help."