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    Food Deserts? This is why...

    Thieves break in, trash independent east side grocery store


    I feel sorry for the store owner. I do NOT feel sorry for the people complaining that their area is a "food desert" that do nothing to change the culture in their own neighborhood. I'm sure Michelle Obama would blame this on "white flight".

    https://www.wthr.com/article/thieves...-grocery-store

    Don't talk to me about "food deserts". What you have is a morality desert. You know who is doing this. Stop using "snitches get stitches" as an excuse, and "my baby is a good boy" to defend the lawlessness and FIGHT BACK.
    Last edited by DoggyDaddy; 01-14-2020 at 18:11.

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    Food desert...in Indy? I don't even acknowledge the concept. I grew up living 7 miles from the nearest store.
    ​Bullies suck. They also make you stronger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoughMade View Post
    Food desert...in Indy? I don't even acknowledge the concept. I grew up living 7 miles from the nearest store.
    Presumably you had transportation and didn't have to walk or rely on public transportation to get there. The problem is, no potential store owner wants to open a business in these neighborhoods only to see them broken into or pillaged on a day to day basis by people that have no sense of right and wrong. As always, it's the good people that play by the rules that suffer. It's a self-perpetuating problem.

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    The same thing happens with Section 8 housing. People that just don't care move in, trash the place, leaving the financial burden on the property owner and move on to the next place, that they trash, move on again, ad nauseum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoggyDaddy View Post
    Presumably you had transportation and didn't have to walk or rely on public transportation to get there. The problem is, no potential store owner wants to open a business in these neighborhoods only to see them broken into or pillaged on a day to day basis by people that have no sense of right and wrong. As always, it's the good people that play by the rules that suffer. It's a self-perpetuating problem.
    I know what a food desert is, but walking and public transit are forms of transportation.
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    That part of town, 38th and Post, has been hit hard. Closing of big employers, like Western Electric and the Ford steering gear plant, put the hurt on years ago, and the closing of Fort Harrison in 1995 was pretty much the beginning of the end, to go with overused terms.

    Just before Christmas Mrs. MarkC and I went to an event at the Cumberland Baptist Church; not having been out that way, I was taken aback at how every inch of Washington Street between I-465 and the county line was now surrounded by mostly low-quality retail. The east side is certainly not the same place as when I grew up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoughMade View Post
    I know what a food desert is, but walking and public transit are forms of transportation.
    Yes they are. My point is, if the criminal element weren't destroying businesses and property, they could have grocery stores within easy walking distance or a short commute by public transportation. The ones doing the stealing, damaging the property, etc., aren't walking or taking public transportation. They're riding around in their luxury vehicles with 20" rims, financed by their ill-gotten gains, while the honest folk are scraping by.

    I don't normally advocate for vigilantism but I think that's the only thing that's going to "clean up" these areas unless and until people are willing to go to the police and out the ones they know are doing this crap. Maybe the 10 point coalition should start carrying weapons and instead of "talking" to the "troubled youth", they should make it clear that they are not welcome in these neighborhoods, by force if necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkC View Post
    That part of town, 38th and Post, has been hit hard. Closing of big employers, like Western Electric and the Ford steering gear plant, put the hurt on years ago, and the closing of Fort Harrison in 1995 was pretty much the beginning of the end, to go with overused terms.

    Just before Christmas Mrs. MarkC and I went to an event at the Cumberland Baptist Church; not having been out that way, I was taken aback at how every inch of Washington Street between I-465 and the county line was now surrounded by mostly low-quality retail. The east side is certainly not the same place as when I grew up.
    The criminals that are looting grocery stores NEVER worked for Western Electric, Ford or Ft. Harrison, I will guarantee it. And Ft. Harrison isn't "closed". I work there. Like I said, it's a self-perpetuating problem. Crappy people move in, start robbing businesses, businesses move out, reducing what employment opportunities were there, and so on.
    Last edited by DoggyDaddy; 01-14-2020 at 18:47.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoggyDaddy View Post
    The criminals that are looting grocery stores NEVER worked for Western Electric, Ford or Ft. Harrison, I will guarantee it. And Ft. Harrison isn't "closed". I work there. Like I said, it's a self-perpetuating problem. Crappy people move in, start robbing businesses, business move out, reducing what employment opportunities were there, and so on.
    To clarify; I agree that the criminals who currently are ravaging the east side NEVER worked for any of those long-gone businesses; I was just pointing out the economic decline that accompanied the loss of good-paying, high-quality jobs on the east side.

    As for Fort Harrison: by "closing," I mean the departure of the active duty military installation as a result of BRAC in 1995. I don't disagree that the physical plant of Fort Harrison is still there, as well as remnants of the military presence, include the Finance Center and a fairly nice PX and Commissary, along with a significant reserve components presence. However, the truth is the large community of stable, well-behaved service members is long gone, and the people who have moved there are certainly not of anywhere near the same caliber.

    Additionally, the area of 38th Street has been questionable for a long time, even before all the closures and the loss of positive economic businesses. John Marshall High School and the nearby Amber Woods apartments (I forget what they used to be called) were always more questionable than the nearby neighborhoods and community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoughMade View Post
    Food desert...in Indy? I don't even acknowledge the concept. I grew up living 7 miles from the nearest store.
    In indy many inner city folks have to walk to the store. We have some older neighbors that do the same as they can not drive or do not own a car any more. Fixed income.
    We see them walking and always pick them up if we can.

    I have some scary story's about what goes on around these little area stores. Refrigeration/Ac tech and I took care of many of them over the years.

    People can suck. And far to many do.

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