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    Quote Originally Posted by Tombs View Post
    That would entirely depend on the convictions of the people occupying it.
    Today's people are all we have to work with.
    Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth shattering Kaboom.

    Marvin the Martian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leadeye View Post
    Today's people are all we have to work with.
    In my community I can promise the only change would be hearing machine gun fire vs semi-auto fire, once in awhile.
    Do not interrupt your enemy while they are making a mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JettaKnight View Post
    That's cold. I'm actually flattered you remember my stance on late merging.


    I'm a "turn into the lane you want" kind of guy.

    One thing that bothers me is folks that cut that corner, and sort of slide into that far lane. That one year of AFROTC ingrained into me a "sharp corner" mentality that crossed over from walking on campus to driving. So, I make a sharp corner into that far lane, but the car ahead eased into the close lane, then keeps easing onto the lane I'm already occupying.



    I actually sketched this on a napkin while at lunch with my wife. I was venting, she was eye rolling. We put that sketch into a small frame as a memento.
    I believe in turning into the proper lane. Then again I am a law and order type who loves and believes in doing things the old fashioned way.

    If you do it right then we both can make a turn almost simultaneously and keep traffic moving!
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    I see people demanding "justice" constantly and I wonder if they have any idea what they want. Bernie's free stuff? No police in their face, ever? Maybe they just want to see each other on tv and social media.
    Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth shattering Kaboom.

    Marvin the Martian

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    Big media has certainly made it stylish to be seen as being involved in this.
    Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth shattering Kaboom.

    Marvin the Martian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leadeye View Post
    I see people demanding "justice" constantly and I wonder if they have any idea what they want. Bernie's free stuff? No police in their face, ever? Maybe they just want to see each other on tv and social media.
    The fact of the matter is that they have no idea what they want. The justice they're demanding was already served.

    Ever seen mars attacks? It's just like that.
    Do not interrupt your enemy while they are making a mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by foszoe View Post
    I believe in turning into the proper lane. Then again I am a law and order type who loves and believes in doing things the old fashioned way.

    If you do it right then we both can make a turn almost simultaneously and keep traffic moving!
    If I'm turning left onto a 2 lane road from which I will be making a right hand turn in the near future, then it just makes sense for me to turn into the right hand lane. If I'm planning on staying in the left lane, then I will turn into the left lane.

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    This all reminds me of when law enforcement was investigating the anarchists and other groups opposing the construction of I-69. They seemed to have this child like belief that a world without government, without the big bad man telling them what to do, would be some kind of utopia.

    In reality, after years in law enforcement, I firmly believe it would be Hobbesian, more Mad Max than utopia. Survival of the fittest, the fittest being the biggest, the meanest, those with the best gang.

    The scrawny-armed weaklings arguing for anarchy and utopia would become someone's slaves. But they refuse to see that. Socialists and other utopians refuse to acknowledge basic human nature. Almost everyone wants to better themselves.

    Power, very much like nature, abhors a vacuum.
    So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leadeye View Post
    In all of this I wonder what the end game is for these people, what do they really want? What is "justice" to them? Would lynching the four policemen involved be "justice"? Is "justice" letting people do whatever they want when they want to do it? People say it never gets any better, and I have to ask what isn't getting any better?

    Quote Originally Posted by Leadeye View Post
    I see people demanding "justice" constantly and I wonder if they have any idea what they want. Bernie's free stuff? No police in their face, ever? Maybe they just want to see each other on tv and social media.


    I'm not good at channeling, but I'll go out on a limb here and suspect what they want is a world in which the cognizant local prosecutor crisply and swiftly charges an individual police officer with a crime when he ("allegedly") commits one in broad daylight with three citizens videoing him doing it. We want swift justice when criminals do wrong. Why is it different when that criminal turns out to be a police officer?

    Of course, it's almost always certain that a goodly number of them also just want to stir up crap and lay hands on free shxt. But for sake of discussion, let's go with the other thing. Not saying I agree with their way of doing it. But that's not what you asked. You asked what they want. And I think that's it.

    And unfortunately, the actions of the prosecutor in this case, either correctly or incorrectly, left the impression in peoples' minds that you need to burn down a city to make the wheels of justice turn.

    One day, "no charges." City Burns. Next day >>> Voila, "charges!" Now really: what conclusion do you expect simian brutes with IQs of 90 to make based on that? It is really pretty straight forward.

    I don't like what these people are doing. But it's important that all us OWMs (Old White Men) not get so carried away being mad at the rioters that we lose sight of what actually started this crap. And it is the highly symbiotic relationship between police and prosecutors. Cops have got Qualified Immunity to protect them from individual civil jeopardy. They have - for lack of a better term - prosecutors' basic unwillingness to charge them with anything, to protect them from individual criminal jeopardy. And based on this, some of them have apparently got the idea that during that 5-minute span of time when they're in control of the entire situation and taking someone into custody, they have a little window of opportunity there where if the person resists a little bit, they have carte blanche to "teach him a lesson."

    And I do get it. They wrestle with these losers, and the endless raft of negative societal consequences they create, all day long, do a dedicated job, and usually their reward is to see the loser in question back out on the street e-mediately, sometimes probably getting home before the police officer does, if somebody posts bail for him.

    So I get it. I want to think I'm seeing the whole picture. And you asked what they want. Well, that's it. They want prosecutors to do their fxxxing job. (Which, ironically, is usually the exact same thing the police officers want...it's just that here, the shoe is on the other foot).

    I'm not sure how we fix this. But I would sure prefer the Police not make martyrs out of people like George Floyd. And I'd prefer Prosecutors not create the impression you have to burn down a city to make justice work. I generally don't care for the Black Lives Matter types. However, what I like even less, is Police and Prosecutors making them look *right*, and validating their points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twangbanger View Post

    I'm not good at channeling, but I'll go out on a limb here and suspect what they want is a world in which the cognizant local prosecutor crisply and swiftly charges an individual police officer with a crime when he ("allegedly") commits one in broad daylight with three citizens videoing him doing it. We want swift justice when criminals do wrong. Why is it different when that criminal turns out to be a police officer?

    Of course, it's almost always certain that a goodly number of them also just want to stir up crap and lay hands on free shxt. But for sake of discussion, let's go with the other thing. Not saying I agree with their way of doing it. But that's not what you asked. You asked what they want. And I think that's it.

    And unfortunately, the actions of the prosecutor in this case, either correctly or incorrectly, left the impression in peoples' minds that you need to burn down a city to make the wheels of justice turn.

    I don't like what these people are doing. But it's important that all us OWMs (Old White Men) not get so carried away being mad at the rioters that we lose sight of what actually started this crap. And it is the highly symbiotic relationship between police and prosecutors. Cops have got Qualified Immunity to protect them from individual civil jeopardy. They have, well, prosecutors' basic unwillingness to charge them with anything to protect them from individual criminal jeopardy. And based on this, some of them have apparently got the idea that during that 5-minute span of time when they're in control of the entire situation and taking someone into custody, they have a little window of opportunity there where if the person resists a little bit, they have carte blanche to "teach him a lesson." And I do get it. They wrestle with these losers and the societal consequences they create all day long, do a dedicated job, and usually their reward is to see the loser in question back out on the street e-mediately, sometimes probably getting home before the police officer does, if somebody posts bail for him.

    So I get it. I want to think I'm seeing the whole picture. And you asked what they want. Well, that's it. They want prosecutors to do their fxxxing job. (Which, ironically, is usually the exact same thing the police officers want...it's just that here, the shoe is on the other foot).

    I'm not sure how we fix this. But I would sure prefer the Police not make martyrs out of people like George Floyd. And I'd prefer Prosecutors not create the impression you have to burn down a city to make justice work. I generally don't care for the Black Lives Matter types. However, what I like even less, is Police and Prosecutors making them look *right*, and validating their points.
    He was already arrested and charged with murder? Are they asking for execution without a trial?

    You also have to remember, arresting a police officer opens a can of worms. All their prior arrests are now open for appeals that have a high chance of being successful, resulting in the release of untold numbers of violent criminals walking out of prison.

    The most important thing to remember, this isn't a problem with police. It never has been and never will be. Bad police exist, in fact a lot of them do, but the amount of cases of criminal wrong doing are very slim. The problem is that the media is a predator, looking for every potential chance to catch a tasty meal of ratings, driving public outrage and disorder. These riots are very profitable for the media, and they also get to force their viewpoint onto the general public who does not question the media.

    Do not interrupt your enemy while they are making a mistake.

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