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  1. #171
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    Well aren't you lively... did something nice happen?

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    Obviously there is much yet to be learned, but what is shown in the videos in 48 and 49 is extremely troubling. I had not looked at them until this evening.

    I often wonder if we have strayed too far away from law enforcement as peace officers and too far towards glorifying them some sort of military personnel in the middle of a hot war zone. One might wonder if it attracts and fosters the type of behavior apparent in these clips. It is doing little to foster a spirit of cooperation, and not only in so called minority communities. Hell, it's unlikely I would be considered a member of a "minority community" and I find myself challenged to trust most officers at the initial intro. And this is from a guy that has family members in law enforcement and has never had a direct encounter with a law enforcement that has been anywhere near ugly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoggyDaddy View Post
    So all this is taking place in St. Paul (Minneapolis' twin city)?
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  4. #174
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRed View Post

    I often wonder if we have strayed too far away from law enforcement as peace officers and too far towards glorifying them some sort of military personnel in the middle of a hot war zone.
    Here's another perspective...

    I come from a family of law enforcement officers, my father, uncle, brother and two cousins have or are still working. I've been around police officers since I was a kid and I heard conversations I probably wasn't supposed to hear (I was sneaky). Here's my take:

    Police officers haven't changed. The vast majority become officers because they want to serve in a noble profession which allows them to do good things while avoiding the monotony of a factory job or sitting in an office. There have always been criminals, some of which have always been willing attack the police but here's what has changed. Those police officers of days gone by that no one remembers doing some of the distasteful things we see regularly today, they were heavier handed than any officers today. Back then there weren't cameras in everyone's hands and a lot of people who were heading down the wrong path were brought back on course by a good ass whooping from their local peace officers. The result was a level of respect from the parasites of society who knew there were consequences to their actions. Now they grow up being taught to taunt, run from, lie, attack and harass police officers and the "consequences" are little if any. In fact, if they can do these things well enough and get under the skin of an officer and get them to "cross the line" they get a big fat payday.

    Officers haven't changed, society has. I'm not saying a police officer beating someone's ass when they get caught breaking into cars is the way things are supposed to work but there was a time when it was an effective means of discouraging people from continuing a life of crime. The vast majority of officers can't and won't do this now so that deterrent is gone and it has not been replaced. If anything the additional deterrents which used to be there (like prison sucking) are near gone as well.

    That said, I haven't watched any of the videos of this incident nor have I watched the news but from what I've heard things were not done correctly and someone rightfully will pay for their actions. I simply no longer care about any of it as there is no solution. We make excuses for criminals, coddle them when they're caught, let them out early and act surprised when they go right back to their old ways. I gave it just shy of 20 years and not a single aspect of police work got better or more effective. All of the new technologies, new approaches, new policies have accomplished nothing but distancing officers from the public they serve.

    Flame suit on if needed, the truth isn't always what we want to hear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phylodog View Post
    Here's another perspective...

    I come from a family of law enforcement officers, my father, uncle, brother and two cousins have or are still working. I've been around police officers since I was a kid and I heard conversations I probably wasn't supposed to hear (I was sneaky). Here's my take:

    Police officers haven't changed. The vast majority become officers because they want to serve in a noble profession which allows them to do good things while avoiding the monotony of a factory job or sitting in an office. There have always been criminals, some of which have always been willing attack the police but here's what has changed. Those police officers of days gone by that no one remembers doing some of the distasteful things we see regularly today, they were heavier handed than any officers today. Back then there weren't cameras in everyone's hands and a lot of people who were heading down the wrong path were brought back on course by a good ass whooping from their local peace officers. The result was a level of respect from the parasites of society who knew there were consequences to their actions. Now they grow up being taught to taunt, run from, lie, attack and harass police officers and the "consequences" are little if any. In fact, if they can do these things well enough and get under the skin of an officer and get them to "cross the line" they get a big fat payday.

    Officers haven't changed, society has. I'm not saying a police officer beating someone's ass when they get caught breaking into cars is the way things are supposed to work but there was a time when it was an effective means of discouraging people from continuing a life of crime. The vast majority of officers can't and won't do this now so that deterrent is gone and it has not been replaced. If anything the additional deterrents which used to be there (like prison sucking) are near gone as well.

    That said, I haven't watched any of the videos of this incident nor have I watched the news but from what I've heard things were not done correctly and someone rightfully will pay for their actions. I simply no longer care about any of it as there is no solution. We make excuses for criminals, coddle them when they're caught, let them out early and act surprised when they go right back to their old ways. I gave it just shy of 20 years and not a single aspect of police work got better or more effective. All of the new technologies, new approaches, new policies have accomplished nothing but distancing officers from the public they serve.

    Flame suit on if needed, the truth isn't always what we want to hear.
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    I grew up in the times you reference. I knew full well that getting cross with the LEO I encountered (I had some issue restraining myself to the posted speed limits)could and probably would end up with me sporting a fat lip. So with that in mind "Yes sir/No sir" was the answer to most things.

    Watch live PD 2 weeks in a row. Then tell me any of you guys could even begin to stomach the general public short of snatching them up.
    Not condoning what we have seen in the videos in any way.
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    There are multiple parties in the wrong here.

    1. Let's start with George Floyd. He was a criminal... getting arrested... then resisting...

    2. The arresting officers. The offender was secured in hard mechanical restraints, and placed on the ground. There were 4 officers present. The fact that George was still struggling was irrelevant because it should have been easy for them to gain compliance without causing injury or death at this point. I'm betting the knee to the neck officer will end up facing some sort of Criminally Negligent Homicide, or Involuntary Manslaughter charges, and his 3 buddies lesser charges. Everybody is screaming "Murder" but I seriously doubt there was intent here for this. Most likely case, just poorly trained idiots... being idiots, and in a dangerous profession... someone died as a result. His death was horrible, negligent, and tragic, but pretty sure (at least I hope, and it doesn't seem) it wasn't intentional.

    3. Looters acting worse that George Floyd or the officers.

    If I had influence with the good Lord, I'd ask him to bring George back to stand trial for his crime, and take all the looters... who did far worse damage to the community. Unlike Georges death, the damage they caused was intentional.






    Funny how these poorly trained idiot cops always seem to be in large democrat controlled city departments. Their training, and their chain of command sucks... and they have to deal with way more criminals on a daily basis, (because of the failed policies) so they get lax, and even rough in dealing with them at times.

    Never hear of some town marshal or rural County Sheriff deputy killing a guy like this...
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  7. #177
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    Nailed it Phylo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRed View Post
    ...some sort of military personnel in the middle of a hot war zone.
    That's closer to the truth than you probably think in some jurisdictions. Do you know why that officer sat with his knee on Floyd's neck with his hands in his pocket until Floyd was dead? Because he had absolutely no regard for Floyd as a human.

    How does one become that way? By dealing with the worst scum that society has to offer day after day after day. A front row seat to man's inhumanity to man. When nearly everyone you interact with on a daily basis acts like a ****ing animal, you start to think that they are ALL ****ing animals. Every day, it's nothing but thieves, rapists, child molesters, drunks, drug addicts, burglars, domestic abusers, pimps, whores, murderers, scammers, crazies and the run-of-the-mill insolent malcontent horde.

    One has to come up for air and step back to take a look at the big picture. Some don't, so you get what we have in Minneapolis right now. To that officer, George Floyd was every scumbag that he had ever dealt with in his career up to that point. Sadly, Floyd paid for it with his life.

    The officer's actions are indefensible. He caused a man's death through his actions and indifference. He should pay for what he did. No way anyone can condone what he did.

    But I understand how he got there.

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  9. #179
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    Just an observation here. At first I Thought the cop had his hands in his pockets as well. Turns out he has black gloves on, and his hands are on his legs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phylodog View Post
    Here's another perspective...

    I come from a family of law enforcement officers, my father, uncle, brother and two cousins have or are still working. I've been around police officers since I was a kid and I heard conversations I probably wasn't supposed to hear (I was sneaky). Here's my take:

    Police officers haven't changed. The vast majority become officers because they want to serve in a noble profession which allows them to do good things while avoiding the monotony of a factory job or sitting in an office. There have always been criminals, some of which have always been willing attack the police but here's what has changed. Those police officers of days gone by that no one remembers doing some of the distasteful things we see regularly today, they were heavier handed than any officers today. Back then there weren't cameras in everyone's hands and a lot of people who were heading down the wrong path were brought back on course by a good ass whooping from their local peace officers. The result was a level of respect from the parasites of society who knew there were consequences to their actions. Now they grow up being taught to taunt, run from, lie, attack and harass police officers and the "consequences" are little if any. In fact, if they can do these things well enough and get under the skin of an officer and get them to "cross the line" they get a big fat payday.

    Officers haven't changed, society has. I'm not saying a police officer beating someone's ass when they get caught breaking into cars is the way things are supposed to work but there was a time when it was an effective means of discouraging people from continuing a life of crime. The vast majority of officers can't and won't do this now so that deterrent is gone and it has not been replaced. If anything the additional deterrents which used to be there (like prison sucking) are near gone as well.

    That said, I haven't watched any of the videos of this incident nor have I watched the news but from what I've heard things were not done correctly and someone rightfully will pay for their actions. I simply no longer care about any of it as there is no solution. We make excuses for criminals, coddle them when they're caught, let them out early and act surprised when they go right back to their old ways. I gave it just shy of 20 years and not a single aspect of police work got better or more effective. All of the new technologies, new approaches, new policies have accomplished nothing but distancing officers from the public they serve.

    Flame suit on if needed, the truth isn't always what we want to hear.
    Wow...

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