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  • Rubix

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    I’ve been wondering this for some time now. What’s with the hate towards a plant-based diet and those with more conservative-based leanings? I often hear soy-boy and beta-cuck tossed around. I am not totally WFPB/vegan, but am eating less animal-based products and have only had positive results without any change to my activity levels.

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    BugI02

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    It's parallel to the mask/no mask controversy. One side is convinced of the superiority of their position, can't shut up about it and can't accept a decision going against their grain. The ire is directed at the proselytizer, not the choice
     

    Bigtanker

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    Strictly from my point of view, some who choose this way of life tend to be very vocal about it for whatever reason. "It's not cruel to animals. It's the way nature intended" etc. They seem to make it a political choice and "since I'm right, you're wrong." So the other side rebuts it and makes fun.

    If that lifestyle is working for you, awesome. Keep it up. I'd bet that a good majority of vegans are out there are just doing what they do and not part of the extreme vocal minority.

    But like ANY other choice a person makes, don't try and shove it down someone else's throat. It happens on all sides. I know a "meat eater" that is just as bad.
     

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    I don't support veganism due to nutritional gaps it leaves, but don't hate vegans for their dietary choice.

    My problem is entirely their behavior towards others and how they make it a political issue to control people. Too often, they are really obnoxious about it.
     

    kawtech87

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    I’ve been wondering this for some time now. What’s with the hate towards a plant-based diet and those with more conservative-based leanings?

    My family owns a steakhouse so..... :bat: plus bacon is just damned tasty.

    Seriously though my wife and I don't eat meat for every meal all the time either. She has been eating more hear lately because she's pregnant and needs the iron and protein and those are just things that are harder to get in large, soluble amounts from plant based diets. We actually did what's called a Daniel fast earlier this year, that's no meat at all for 40 days, and with some of the products on the market today it's almost like cheating. Very tasty stuff that if you didn't know where vegetarian/vegan you wouldn't know.
     

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    City-County Council Passes Meatless Monday Resolution

    ...The Indianapolis City-County Council passed a resolution in support of Meatless Mondays on December 5, 2016. The resolution encourages Indianapolis residents and institutions to try a meat-free day at the beginning of each week, aiming to reduce the city’s environmental footprint and raise awareness about healthy eating...
     

    NKBJ

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    We could found an global advocacy association, the Militant Omnivores Of Terra, but what would be the point?
     

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    Phase2

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    Nobody hates the actual diet, just the people who are militant and won't shut up about it.

    There is a long-running joke about veganism that has a lot of truth to it: How can you tell if someone is vegan? Don’t worry, they'll tell you.
     

    KittySlayer

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    It's like the Holy Roller preaching his faith at me. I don't care what his relationship with God is and it is none of his f'n business what my personal relationship with God is. If the vegans would just keep their mouth shut except when shoving green stuff in their facehole I would not mind.

    The trouble is many vegans wear it like a badge of honor, going out of their way to tell everyone how virtuous they are, and then preaching at me about my personal dietary choices. Then if you go dining with them they are simply a pain in the butt because they make such a show of it rather than just picking a vegan option off the menu or choosing not to go to a restaurant. And I feel sorry for the wait staff that has to deal with these zealots.

    I might be able to pull off a vegetarian diet, but not a vegan diet. The nutritional sacrifices are not worth it to me, besides I like meat.

    My neighbors are vegans and very easy going about it. If you didn't know them you might not ever know they were vegans.
     

    kawtech87

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    Then if you go dining with them they are simply a pain in the butt because they make such a show of it rather than just picking a vegan option off the menu or choosing not to go to a restaurant. And I feel sorry for the wait staff that has to deal with these zealots.

    Dude but seriously though, not kidding right there. ^^^ Try being the guy running, mind you, a steakhouse and having these kinds of people demanding vegan food. It's a steakhouse buddy, I recommend the salad. No our ranch isn't vegan either.
     

    KittySlayer

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    Dude but seriously though, not kidding right there. ^^^ Try being the guy running, mind you, a steakhouse and having these kinds of people demanding vegan food. It's a steakhouse buddy, I recommend the salad. No our ranch isn't vegan either.

    We were in Colorado with a group of about ten people. One woman kind of hooked up with this guy who was just strange and did not really fit in with our group, a lost puppy dog she felt sorry for. So we are all at lunch at a pizza place and this vegetarian guy made a big show about "I'm a vegetarian, I can't have meat on my pizza". Well fine you moron, we have five pizzas on the table, grab a slice off the pizza without meat on it, it's not rocket science. We are discussing dinner reservations and chose the steak house across the street. Someone went over and made reservations for ten people, not counting vegetarian dude since he was so adamant about not eating steak. We all show up for our dinner reservations and are seated. He shows up late with our woman friend and there is only one chair left at the table which was already crowded. We told him we didn't include him in the reservation since he told us he was a vegetarian. We also did not make room at the table for him. He left like a hurt puppy dog.
     

    snorko

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    My family owns a steakhouse so..... :bat: plus bacon is just damned tasty.

    And it is a tasty destination. I worked on a project in Morgan & Johnson Counties some time ago that had me in the area a couple times a month. Had many a fine meals there.

    This time of year though I do eat a lot less meat. With good homegrown tomatoes, fresh corn, greens and all the other fresh veggies, there's little room on the plate.
     

    JettaKnight

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    1. Vegan/Vegetarianism sprung up in the seventies as an outgrowth of the hippie culture, Mother Gaia lifestyle, and animal rights agenda. Those are heavily aligned with progressive liberalism.
    2. A diet rich in meat is associated with wealth, so there's also a socio-econmic aspect: vegetarianism is more aligned with a socialist agenda as well. Of course, now days it's more expensive to vegan, so that's more of a historical issue that hasn't been shaken off.
    3. Vegans & vegetarians skew to higher education levels, which is the same for left leaning politics.



    And a whole lot vegans are more than willing to tell you how wrong you are. They're worse than crossfit practitioners.

    Fortunately, my brother, who just doesn't want to eat meat, isn't fanatical. Nor is my aunt, nor is my coworker who brings back coney dogs for us.
    Like everything in life, make your choice, but don't be an ass about it.
     

    Rubix

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    I’m not trying to tell people what to do, only why they feel the way they do. What brings them to their position. Having gone down this rabbit hole I will say there are some militant vegans. I think the distinction is some are more for the science side and refer to it as “whole food plant based” and those who take a more ethical side and refer to themselves as "vegans."

    The “whole food plant based” term might be a reactionary term, similar to “common sense gun regulation.” I’m not going to say what you should or shouldn’t do, but there is compelling peer-reviewed science to look at if one is interested.

    I do see that the leading proponents of this are militant about exposing bias in the studies I've seen. It’s like a game to them. The protein and tooth claims are pretty weak, scientifically speaking. I will say they do recommend a B12 supplement, but even those on the Standard American Diet (SAD) are just as nutrient deficient, sometimes more, than their counterparts. Also, you get B12 from animal products because they supplement it into them. If that was stopped, everyone would be taking B12.

    Most of us here are all somewhat of a prepper. We scrutinize the hell out of every aspect of a firearm/tactic and by and large, neglect our health, especially if my range trips are any indicator of the population on the whole. I’m just addressing my health/physical fitness the way I would anything. A critical look at the data.

    Covid-19, factory farms and zoonotic virus' seem to just be waiting on us to slip up. Cancer, diabetes, heart disease and obesity are growing in this country every day and we complain about healthcare costs, drug pricing, you name it. I know it tastes good and holidays celebrate it. We worry about Soy and the feminization of men, yet the most potent phytoestrogen is in beer yet we don't think of it at all. I don't eat a lot of soy, but I do drink Silk and occasionally he tofu.

    I think I should have gone into anthropology sometimes because I find it interesting observing the population and their reasoning. I know it's not popular and everyone thinks I'm a commie trolling INGO.
     
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