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    Quote Originally Posted by Cameramonkey View Post
    I'm over it and moved on. No need to escalate. <2 hours post fail just wasnt the time for your "humor". I'm good now. I am just counting my blessings that I'm not with RBG. But seriously, its got a solid powerhead, and life is good all things considered.

    And I found a guy that sells fully rebuilt lowers with all new rubbers for $250 shipped. I can swap a lower and install a prop. That's cake and only takes a standard screwdriver as I recall from the impeller video I watched. And I'll have a lower to play with and rebuild myself as a spare over time with no pressure.
    Please. You know I have a lot of respect for you and how you face this world. If my humor was to dark for you then I apologize but brother you do not want me biting you. Not these days anyway....Humor. Again. Somme more....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clay Pigeon View Post
    Tonight is a twofer***,, RBG and this thread..... Can it get any better.....
    That circle didn't take long now did it.... I tried....... This is as funny as a city boy on a tractor......

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    Now that that is out of the way...
    Here is some more advice that you wouldn't take like last time. Take that 43 year old outboard and toss it in a dumpster and this winter spend 16 to 26 hundred on a new 4 stroke 9-10hp outboard and enjoy it taking you out and most importantly bringing your family and you back the marina for the next ten years....
    I have seen and actually done this myself. And brother it was a trip. But a much larger money pit.

    Buddy has an elderly Evinrude in the same power range. Might be a bit older. It runs really well and then it doesn't. He tinkers with it and it runs really well again and then it doesn't. He brings it over and we would rink beer and mess with it hooked to the hose and it would run great. Take it fishing and he might get through the dat. Might not. Might be the water in Eagle Creek.......

    The engine now rests on a saw horse in the corner of his shop. Even money it will fire right up.....
    If the engine is OK then yes buy the lower unit. But what I see that has yet to be mentioned is making drastic changes in the state of tune.

    Again....the Monkey is most cool. And he can be comic relief as we all can.
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    Evinrude and Mercury are the worst for at home mechanics, this was told to me from a outboard mechanic. They require special tools for special things He told me this after I lost money on boat and motor. Maybe this donít apply to a 10 horse mine was a Ski-Twin that needed a professional mechanic. Possible good news, the lower unit gasket went bad and water was in it but found before winter and froze. They are made to tolerate water but not freezing temps.

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    Pretty sure the drastic state of tune was due to carb cleaning and better fuel. After a good gumout it was running way rich. Pretty sure I dislodged a booger from the low speed jet that the prior owner adjusted for. It idled just fine on the little bit of old gas he had in it. When I replaced it with ethanol free 90+ from CountryMark is when I started having idle issues. Silly me for feeding her the good food. Lol
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    This still for sale:

    Hundred bucks and a battery, you are on the water tomorrow...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cameramonkey View Post
    Pretty sure the drastic state of tune was due to carb cleaning and better fuel. After a good gumout it was running way rich. Pretty sure I dislodged a booger from the low speed jet that the prior owner adjusted for. It idled just fine on the little bit of old gas he had in it. When I replaced it with ethanol free 90+ from CountryMark is when I started having idle issues. Silly me for feeding her the good food. Lol
    I have owned 2 Johnsons (late 70's) and an Evinrude (1990) and all 3 of them only had a main jet. The orifices for idle and mid range were air bleeds that metered the fuel by allowing air in based on the vacuum through the venturi. To figure out what you have, the few bucks spent on ebay or amazon for a used shop manual will be priceless, try to find a factory manual, not an aftermarket one. Two stroke motors require a link and sync for the fuel/ignition timing because they cannot advance timing on the vacuum from the crankcase, as two stroke crankcase goes from vacuum to pressure for each revolution to feed the fuel charge. It has to be set to advance based on the linkage and throttle position.

    Another culprit for idling issues is the reeds. They are a wear item and should be replaced when idle issues start to surface, mostly a sneeze at idle which can cause the motor to die. If you do replace them, make sure to lap the cages ending with a 200 grit. They work better when not completely smooth.

    As far as the lower unit, you might be better off buying a refurbished one because you will spend some money on specialty tools to take apart, check/set gear lash, and then re-assemble. This obviously does not include the time you will spend trying to figure all of this out. But hey, it is the right time of the year to learn some new things about outboard motors.

    Last but not least, here are two good websites for DIY boat stuff:

    https://www.screamandfly.com/forum.php


    http://www.bbcboards.net/forum.php


    Both of those sites have a bunch of people that are more then willing to help, and know what they are talking about. I have done all the work on all the motors I have ever owned and have not needed any other tools then what I already owned. My newest motor is a 1999 Mercury 280 drag and I have had the entire motor apart and back together with no issues. It was not the first motor I have been inside of though. I spend more money on fuel and oil for the boat then anything else. All the people that talk about a boat being a hole in the water that you keep throwing money into, have to pay mechanics to fix them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cameramonkey View Post
    Pretty sure the drastic state of tune was due to carb cleaning and better fuel. After a good gumout it was running way rich. Pretty sure I dislodged a booger from the low speed jet that the prior owner adjusted for. It idled just fine on the little bit of old gas he had in it. When I replaced it with ethanol free 90+ from CountryMark is when I started having idle issues. Silly me for feeding her the good food. Lol
    Just an aside CM (CM junior? )... be careful about spraying carb cleaner in the carb on a 2-cycle while it's running. I was told this by a boat motor mechanic, so take it for what it's worth (could be like gunshop talk for all I know, but it made sense). As he explained it, with a two-cycle, your lube is in the gas. When you spray the cleaner in the carb while it's running, you're taking away a lot of that lube. Again, I don't know if it's truly an issue or not with my limited mechanical knowledge, but it did make sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoggyDaddy View Post
    Just an aside CM (CM junior? )... be careful about spraying carb cleaner in the carb on a 2-cycle while it's running. I was told this by a boat motor mechanic, so take it for what it's worth (could be like gunshop talk for all I know, but it made sense). As he explained it, with a two-cycle, your lube is in the gas. When you spray the cleaner in the carb while it's running, you're taking away a lot of that lube. Again, I don't know if it's truly an issue or not with my limited mechanical knowledge, but it did make sense to me.
    2 cycle carb cleaner made specifically for boat motors
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    Quote Originally Posted by halfmileharry View Post
    2 cycle carb cleaner made specifically for boat motors
    Ah, didn't know there was such an animal. I had used regular Gumout when I got chastised by the mechanic. He didn't mention that there was one made for 2-cycle.

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    I spent a few years working as a marine mechanic. In my experience the Johnson / Evinrude motors were VERY dependable when tuned correctly. The Mercury / Mariner could be tuned to out perform them, but they were more finicky. $250 seems cheap for a solid lower unit, especially without a core return, I'd be nervous about what I was buying. I'm pretty sure none of the standard oils were gray, so you almost certainly have mechanical failure that has generated metal dust in the oil.

    Lower unit removal and replacement is easy, especially on the smaller engines like you have. As mentioned above, watch videos and find a manual for little things like having it in gear or not, how linkages come apart, etc.

    I can't be much help on actually rebuilding a lower internally. At shop rates it was usually less expensive for the customer to just have us swap units with another from the factory.
    "IF YOU CAN'T FIX IT WITH A HAMMER, YOU'VE GOT AN ELECTRICAL PROBLEM"

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