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    If you're truly 25, then that would explain a lot. Not excuse it, explain it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wwwildthing View Post
    I've lived in Tucson for 6 months of the year, every year, since 2000... and your going to try to tell me how things work down there?

    You sound just like the ex-state trooper I met in a Greensburg gun shop a few weeks back... he tried to tell me my drivers license and carry permit were invalid.

    Yea, right.

    Are you aware that a Border Patrol cop pulled Jared Lee Loughner over for a traffic violation on the morning of the Tucson shooting? He was packing under 'Constitutional Carry'... and as he had no record or warrants, he was released with a written warning.

    Maybe you'd like to explain to us why the Border Patrol is doing traffic stops and checkpoints, if they have no teeth in Arizona law? Answer - Because they are sworn to uphold the laws of the United States and the State in which they are assigned... they have the same police powers as any other LEO.

    Back on topic - I'd still say the OP got a pass because he didn't look Hispanic and had his family with him... his 'lawyer card' had nothing to do with it.
    What are you even talking about?

    1. The Border Patrol has been doing these kinds of stops for twenty years, at least, because that's the first time I was stopped for it.
    2. The Border Patrol follows Federal law, not State law.

    As to the rest of your post, I have no idea what points of mine you're addressing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j706 View Post
    I would cooperate with ANY legal question,stop or request.
    Please define a "legal question".


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wwwildthing View Post
    I've lived in Tucson for 6 months of the year, every year, since 2000... and your going to try to tell me how things work down there?
    No, he was informing you that the agency doing this stop does not derive authority from the law you mentioned. He doesn't need to live there to do that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier9 View Post
    Loughner was pulled over by an Arizona Game and Fish officer, not a Border Patrol officer.

    Loughner pulled over hours before shooting

    Not saying a Border Patrol officer couldn't have made a traffic stop, as I believe that they can enforce state laws under certain conditions. I don't think that they routinely engage in vehicle stops for running red lights, however.
    Your right, my bad... but it goes back to my point... all the LEO's in Arizona, regardless of agency, are sworn to enforce state and federal law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirRealism View Post
    Please define a "legal question".
    Yea that is kinda broad isn't it? I would answer any question asked of me during a traffic stop,check point or whatever. My main point is I will not sit there and sound like a parrot about not answering basic questions without a lawyer present. Silly IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wwwildthing View Post
    Your right, my bad... but it goes back to my point... all the LEO's in Arizona, regardless of agency, are sworn to enforce state and federal law.
    Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the state law in question granted authority to state LEAs similar to what the feds already had. (Or at least, that was the spin.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by SirRealism View Post
    Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the state law in question granted authority to state LEAs similar to what the feds already had. (Or at least, that was the spin.)
    Correct... but if you read the bill, you'll see wording that 'gives teeth' to federal agencies (ICE, Border Patrol, etc) as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wwwildthing View Post
    These checkpoints are a direct result of Arizona Senate Bill 1070....
    Incorrect.

    Quote Originally Posted by dross View Post
    That bill has zero to do with this situation. It only affects Arizon law enforcement, not the Border Patrol. The first time I went through one of those stops was over twenty years ago, just south of Alamagordo, NM.
    +1 Having lived in SoCal, I was also subject to these BP checkpoints long before the Arizona law.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wwwildthing View Post
    I've lived in Tucson for 6 months of the year, every year, since 2000... and your going to try to tell me how things work down there?
    It seems to me he was just pointing out that you made a false statement. I was about to post it myself til I saw ranger and dross already addressed it. It doesn't really matter how you think things work down there. You made a statement about the checkpoints that is simply wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wwwildthing View Post
    Are you aware that a Border Patrol cop pulled Jared Lee Loughner over for a traffic violation on the morning of the Tucson shooting?
    Please check your facts here and post a source. I believe you are mistaken about this as well.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    ...99% of our laws should not exist. It does not take thousands upon thousands of pages to say "mind your own business and keep your hands to yourself".

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirRealism View Post
    Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the state law in question granted authority to state LEAs similar to what the feds already had. (Or at least, that was the spin.)

    I would say federal immigration laws only. I don't know of any LEO that can enforce all federal and all state laws. Those story's get a lot of spin. Kinda like the one that conservation officer's have more authority than other LEO's. That is just exaggeration. While on the subject, surprisingly enough under Indiana law a town marshal has the broadest statutory authority of any Indiana LEO. Not many people know that.

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