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  • 04FXSTS

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    A deal has been made that is endorsed by speaker of the house Madigan so no doubt in my mind it will become law. It has a lot to hate and a few things to like but is better than the alternative. Appears the alternitives are a bill by Branden Phelps one of the leaders in our fight or a bill by Raoul who hates guns. It is "shall issue, statewide premption, no local laws to prevent carry." But; no reprocrity although there will be non-resident available, 16 hours of training, five year permit for $150 resident, $300 non resident."
    You may find out what a lot of people are saying at gunssavelife.com or go to illinoiscarry.com. Am I happy, no but it is a lot better than we have now. What happened? Yes, we thought we could either get a good bill or carry on a FOID next month. Our supposed allies including my own democratic senator (NRA "A" rated) is one of several who folded up like a cheap suit when it got tough. Madigan runs the state and controls the purse strings to all the democratic campain money. Madigan has more power in this state than even I can imagine. Jim.
     

    Captain Morgan

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    terrible haute
    A deal has been made that is endorsed by speaker of the house Madigan so no doubt in my mind it will become law. It has a lot to hate and a few things to like but is better than the alternative. Appears the alternitives are a bill by Branden Phelps one of the leaders in our fight or a bill by Raoul who hates guns. It is "shall issue, statewide premption, no local laws to prevent carry." But; no reprocrity although there will be non-resident available, 16 hours of training, five year permit for $150 resident, $300 non resident."
    You may find out what a lot of people are saying at gunssavelife.com or go to illinoiscarry.com. Am I happy, no but it is a lot better than we have now. What happened? Yes, we thought we could either get a good bill or carry on a FOID next month. Our supposed allies including my own democratic senator (NRA "A" rated) is one of several who folded up like a cheap suit when it got tough. Madigan runs the state and controls the purse strings to all the democratic campain money. Madigan has more power in this state than even I can imagine. Jim.

    If this goes through, I guess I'll be spending $300 and taking their training. My g/f lives 3 miles inside of IL, and I have family in Naperville. I live 10 miles east of IL and am in the commie state quite often.
     

    Aaron1776

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    Good old Mike Madigan.

    That man cost me a bet when he stole the 2010 governor election. My buddy (fellow campaign manager) actually got rushed out of a voting precinct, lynch mob style, when he discovered the machines had been tampered with.

    Madigan is such an evil genius that he actually will write hit pieces about himself, get them put into the news, then tie a republican to himself, just to bring the republican down. He's like the evil emperor of IL politics.

    I really hate that guy, yet he fascinates me....
     

    Excalibur

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    If it turns out like this, I might have to swallow my pride and pay the 300 because I got family and friends in Chicago
     

    snowdrifter

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    The list of places one CAN'T carry is rediculous. It might have been shorter to list the places one can carry. Taken from:

    Compromise Conceal Carry Bill Will Get “80 Votes”, Sources Say | The Illinois Observer



    According to a House Democratic fact sheet obtained by The Illinois Observer, those off-limit locations include:
    • Preschool, elementary, and secondary schools
    • Child care facilities
    • Playgrounds
    • Public parks located within a municipality under the control of a municipality or park district
    • Cook County Forest Preserve
    • Bars (more than 50% of its gross receipts from the sale of liquor)
    • State buildings
    • Local government buildings
    • Libraries
    • Hospitals, mental health facilities, nursing homes
    • Stadiums, arenas, and sporting events
    • Airports
    • Amusement parks, zoos, and museums
    • Colleges and Universities
    • Public transportation paid in part of whole with public funds
    • Public gatherings authorized by a unit of local government
    • Areas prohibited by federal law
    If this is how the bill passes, I think I will keep my $300.
     
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    jedi

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    If it turns out like this, I might have to swallow my pride and pay the 300 because I got family and friends in Chicago

    I work there - you know I'm gonna pay it

    :facepalm:
    [STRIKE]
    You 2 have clearly missed the "shall issue" portion of the OP's text.
    Let me un-enrypt that text for you.

    "shall issue" = if and only if the police (typically the county sheriff) wants to approve your carry application will you be granted one.

    Since Chicago is part of Cook county I can bet the farm that the cook county sherrif will never approve any applications, but a selected few for very rich and/or important people.

    Look to CA for what I mean. They are a 'shall issue' state and while in NORTHERN CA you can get a permit in places close to LA it is impossible as the sherrif will NOT issue them.

    Sorry to dash your hopes Kitty and Excalibur.
    [/STRIKE]

    Silly Jedi was thinking "may issue".
    Sry about that.
     
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    KLB

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    :facepalm:
    You 2 have clearly missed the "shall issue" portion of the OP's text.
    Let me un-enrypt that text for you.

    "shall issue" = if and only if the police (typically the county sheriff) wants to approve your carry application will you be granted one.

    Since Chicago is part of Cook county I can bet the farm that the cook county sherrif will never approve any applications, but a selected few for very rich and/or important people.

    Look to CA for what I mean. They are a 'shall issue' state and while in NORTHERN CA you can get a permit in places close to LA it is impossible as the sherrif will NOT issue them.

    Sorry to dash your hopes Kitty and Excalibur.

    Silly Jedi. That is MAY issue.
     

    jedi

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    The list of places one CAN'T carry is rediculous. It might have been shorter to list the places one can carry. Taken from:

    Compromise Conceal Carry Bill Will Get “80 Votes”, Sources Say | The Illinois Observer




    According to a House Democratic fact sheet obtained by The Illinois Observer, those off-limit locations include:
    • Preschool, elementary, and secondary schools
    • Child care facilities
    • Playgrounds
    • Public parks located within a municipality under the control of a municipality or park district
    • Cook County Forest Preserve
    • Bars (more than 50% of its gross receipts from the sale of liquor)
    • State buildings
    • Local government buildings
    • Libraries
    • Hospitals, mental health facilities, nursing homes
    • Stadiums, arenas, and sporting events
    • Airports
    • Amusement parks, zoos, and museums
    • Colleges and Universities
    • Public transportation paid in part of whole with public funds
    • Public gatherings authorized by a unit of local government
    • Areas prohibited by federal law
    If this is how the bill passes, I think I will keep my $300.


    aaaahhhh so HELL has not frozen and the universe is indeed all well.
    Go to LOVE the machine. :D
     

    KLB

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    Here are the requirements for Non-resident
    Section 40. Non-resident license applications.
    12 (a) For the purposes of this Section, "non-resident" means
    13 a person who has not resided within this State for more than 30
    14 days and resides in another state or territory.
    15 (b) The Department shall establish by rule and allow for
    16 non-resident license applications from any state or territory
    17 of the United States with laws related to firearm ownership,
    18 possession, and carrying, that are substantially similar to the
    19 requirements to obtain a license under this Act.
    20 (c) A resident of a state or territory approved by the
    21 Department under subsection (b) of this Section may apply for a
    22 non-resident license. The applicant shall apply to the
    23 Department and must meet all of the qualifications established
    24 in Section 25 of this Act, except for the Illinois residency
    25 requirement in item (xiv) of paragraph (2) of subsection (a) of
    1 Section 4 of the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act. The
    2 applicant shall submit:
    3 (1) the application and documentation required under
    4 Section 30 of this Act;
    5 (2) a notarized document stating the applicant:
    6 (A) is eligible under federal law and the laws of
    7 his or her state or territory of residence to own or
    8 possess a firearm;
    9 (B) if applicable, has a license or permit to carry
    10 a firearm or concealed firearm issued by his or her
    11 state or territory of residence and attach a copy of
    12 the license or permit to the application;
    13 (C) understands Illinois laws pertaining to the
    14 possession and transport of firearms, and
    15 (D) acknowledgement that the applicant is subject
    16 to the jurisdiction of the Department and Illinois
    17 courts for any violation of this Act; and
    18 (3) a photocopy or other evidence to show compliance
    19 with the training requirements under Section 75 of this
    20 Act;
    21 (4) a head and shoulder color photograph in a size
    22 specified by the Department taken within the 30 days
    23 preceding the date of the application; and
    24 (5) a $300 application fee.
    25 (d) In lieu of an Illinois driver's license or Illinois
    26 identification card, a non-resident applicant shall provide
    1 similar documentation from his or her state or territory of
    2 residence. In lieu of a valid Firearm Owner's Identification
    3 Card, the applicant shall submit documentation and information
    4 required by the Department to obtain a Firearm Owner's
    5 Identification Card, including an affidavit that the
    6 non-resident meets the mental health standards to obtain a
    7 firearm under Illinois law, and the Department shall ensure
    8 that the applicant would meet the eligibility criteria to
    9 obtain a Firearm Owner's Identification card if he or she was a
    10 resident of this State.
    11 (e) Nothing in this Act shall prohibit a non-resident from
    12 transporting a concealed firearm within his or her vehicle in
    13 Illinois, if the concealed firearm remains within his or her
    14 vehicle and the non-resident:
    15 (1) is not prohibited from owning or possessing a
    16 firearm under federal law;
    17 (2) is eligible to carry a firearm under the laws of
    18 his or her state or territory of residence; and
    19 (3) is not in possession of a license under this Act.
    20 If the non-resident leaves his or her vehicle unattended,
    21 he or she shall store the firearm within a locked vehicle or
    22 locked container within the vehicle in accordance with
    23 subsection (b) of Section 65 of this Act.
     
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    Kirk Freeman

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    The Concealed Carry Review Board??? What a receipe for fraud!

    Look at this, boys:

    (h) Meetings of the Board shall not be subject to the Open 21Meetings Act and records of the Board shall not be subject to 22the Freedom of Information Act.

    The meetings of the board are in a smokey backroom such subject to public inquiry. Welcome to Illinois, Chi-town is gonna screw you now.
     

    KLB

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    :faint: doh!!! you are correct.
    Sry about that!

    Look at the :nono: places pertty much means everywhere. :)

    Pretty much any public event any way.

    Looks like we can carry in our car with our LTCH at least.

    The license would be good if you visit for something other than a public event.
     

    jedi

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    The Concealed Carry Review Board??? What a receipe for fraud!

    Look at this, boys:



    The meetings of the board are in a smokey backroom such subject to public inquiry. Welcome to Illinois, Chi-town is gonna screw you now.


    sssssssshhhhh Kirk!
    This is great! non-residents can submit their paperwork to the state of IL so that state now has a growing database of who the gun owners are which I'm sure they would not give to .... :whistle: or publish in :whistle:

    mmmmuuuuuuhhhhhaaaaaaaa :D
     
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