13 year old boy gunned down by deputies...

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  • LEaSH

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    It's difficult to say what happened. Truthfully, anyone outside of the officers may never know what really happened.
     

    metaldog

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    The boy was Hispanic. My guess... He may not have spoken much English. If the officers were making demands in English, he may not have understood & ignored them.:dunno:
    Regardless of the boys reasoning, the officers used excessive force, IMO. He was a kid & from the way the article is written, He did not threaten anyone with the toy AK.
    Just my :twocents:...
     

    metaldog

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    Ummm, how you figure that?

    Textbook self-defense.
    O'Leary said the deputies fired several rounds from their handguns immediately after issuing the orders to drop the rifle.
    A neighbor in the area, Brian Zastrow, told the Santa Rosa Press Democrat he heard seven shots.
    "First, I heard a single siren and within seconds I heard seven shots go off, sounded like a nail gun, is what I thought it was," he said.
    The boy fell to the ground on top of the rifle, according to O'Leary. He said the deputies ordered him to move away before approaching him and putting him in handcuffs.

    Pretty much sounds that way to me. But I am not a LEO & was not there as witness, either. Seems the situation could have been handled better and with-out bloodshed.
     

    Kirk Freeman

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    Sometimes the police are wrong and deserve criticism, to be sued or fired or criminal prosecution.

    All the time MSN will lie to you.

    From ABC News that I linked to:

    Santa Rosa police said Wednesday that the deputies were on patrol Tuesday when they spotted the boy with the gun and repeatedly asked him to lower it. Instead, he raised it in their direction.

    The rules of self-defense that apply to us apply to the police.

    You need not know that it is a real gun. You need not wait until you are shot to defend yourself. The age of the lunatic pointing the gun at you does not matter.

    Only in the Mad Hatter world of Alex Jones do these Martian rules of self-defense apply.

    I'll call the police for stepping out of bounds, s**t fire, it is my job. But I will also defend the rule of law. The rule of law allows the officers to defend themselves.

    Clean shoot. Textbook self-defense.
     

    HoughMade

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    ....Seems the situation could have been handled better and with-out bloodshed.

    Maybe, but how were they to know it was a replica? What if it was real? Are they supposed to let him get a few shots off first?

    I mean, I know 13 year olds never, ever shoot anyone.....

    And Kirk, we all know the "Martian Laws of Self Defense" only apply to Cops. I really doubt that the usual suspects would be criticizing a civilian who did the same thing.
     

    metaldog

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    Sometimes the police are wrong and deserve criticism, to be sued or fired or criminal prosecution.

    All the time MSN will lie to you.

    From ABC News that I linked to:

    Santa Rosa police said Wednesday that the deputies were on patrol Tuesday when they spotted the boy with the gun and repeatedly asked him to lower it. Instead, he raised it in their direction.

    The rules of self-defense that apply to us apply to the police.

    You need not know that it is a real gun. You need not wait until you are shot to defend yourself. The age of the lunatic pointing the gun at you does not matter.

    Only in the Mad Hatter world of Alex Jones do these Martian rules of self-defense apply.

    I'll call the police for stepping out of bounds, s**t fire, it is my job. But I will also defend the rule of law. The rule of law allows the officers to defend themselves.

    Clean shoot. Textbook self-defense.
    AHA! Thank you. The bold text says it all. And I couldn't agree more, Kirk. :yesway:
     

    Cameramonkey

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    As long as we arent dealing with another case of " the officers said 'the guy with the knife came at us and we had to shoot' then neighbor's video shows otherwise." I'm cool with this. I saw the file photo of the rifle on the ground. It looks real enough that I'd have fired too. Especially with stories like this showing up now...

    IMPD searches for young armed robbery suspects - 13 WTHR Indianapolis
     

    Manatee

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    Bad outcome. I thought all toy and replica guns in California were required to have a blaze orange device at the end of the muzzle?
     

    Kirk Freeman

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    Just so everyone knows, the neighborhood where this transpired is hot. Lots of wannabes, SUR, LKs, MM, wanting to make bones.

    Everything I have seen shows the cops acted within the law. No beef, chief.
     

    Leo

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    I am sad the boy got shot. I am not supporting or condeming anyone. That would be an incident that only an eye witness could judge.

    One think that hag changed in my lifetime is that "real" firearms used to be easily discernable from toy firearms. Now with so many polymer firearms of every shape and size, the plastic toy guns do not look much different. The first FN 5.7 I ever saw didn't look real to me. If I had seen it on the sidwalk, I would have figured it was a kids toy. I know they shoot and function well. This factor HAS to make being a Peace officer more complicated during a stress situation.
     
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    lucky4034

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    The boy was Hispanic. My guess... He may not have spoken much English. If the officers were making demands in English, he may not have understood & ignored them.:dunno:

    Unless he is mentally retarded... any 13yo in any country in any language would understand the situation quite clear.
     

    ATM

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    If he pointed the pellet rifle at the officers as is now being claimed, this was a tragic but justified shoot

    ...if.

    I've seen plenty of similar claims debunked with video or multiple eyewitness testimony. I'll remain skeptical as this certainly doesn't sound like something a "very smart and capable" young man would do when confronted with officers shouting orders in any language while pointing guns at him.
     

    Kirk Freeman

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    Yes, "he was a good boy".

    Where have I heard this claims before?

    Oh, yeah, every single police action shooting.:D

    Does not matter if he was a good boy, a bad boy, a medium boy, what ever kind of boy. It matters what he did.

    Does not matter if it is "just a toy", "just a training gun", "just a cell phone", "just nothing". It matters what he did.
     

    HoughMade

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    A couple of years ago, a teenager (17 or 18) raised a paintball gun at police in my neighborhood. Got himself shot 7 times. This was behind a house that backs up to the house 2 doors from me. It was also at night. I don't know how they could have done anything else.

    [edit]- turns out it was 7 years ago...time flies.

    Cops: Man shot by officers had paintball gun
     
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