Lagrange County 4H Fair - No Weapons Allowed

[alabasterjar]

I guess that the Lagrange County 4H Board has decided that the 4H Fairgrounds is a WFZ (weapons free zone) - they have posted a sign at the front entrance that states "No guns or weapons allowed on the premises". Typical gun/anti-gun banter on the face page...

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[DeadeyeChrista'sdad]

What say you, Ingotarians? Can they make this one stick? Or no?

 

[NHT3]

Not a problem, just don't enter OR enter concealed and ignore the sign.. It's my understanding that they can't make a rule that trumps State law.. They can ask you to leave and that's exactly what I would do when I saw the sign.
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[Dosproduction]

Is this private property and a private company? If so I guess they should be allowed to. I have talked with others on here about wether a public place (store or business) open to anyone should be allowed to ban individual rights. Seems property rights should trump individual rights but lame either way.

 

[mrjarrell]

The 4-H Fairgrounds is a privately owned facility owned by the LaGrange County 4-H Fair Association, Inc. and in the best interests of the safety of these facilities and families we have posted that firearms and weapons not be allowed on the grounds.

Their sign means nothing and carries no weight of law. Carry concealed and they'll never know. Otherwise they CAN tell you to leave and have you trespassed if you refuse. I'd just CC and be done with it or not go.

 

[Roadie]

Who owns the property? If it is owned by the city, county or state, etc, then that sign is unenforceable.

IC 35-47-11.1-2 Political subdivision regulation of firearms, ammunition, and
firearm accessories prohibited
Sec. 2. Except as provided in section 4 of this chapter, a political
subdivision may not regulate:
(1) firearms, ammunition, and firearm accessories;
(2) the ownership, possession, carrying, transportation,
registration, transfer, and storage of firearms, ammunition, and
firearm accessories; and
(3) commerce in and taxation of firearms, firearm ammunition,
and firearm accessories.

 

[alabasterjar]

Private property, so they have every right to do so (I support their right to make dumb decisions). As stated, the board has no weight of law.

I guess the irony of a rural 4H group expressly banning not only firearms, but all weapons is missed by the board. I guarantee the knife:attendee ratio is very high. I'd like to see them actually enforce the "no weapons" rule - I suspect attendance would drop by about 90%. Lagrange is a very rural county...

 

[mrjarrell]

Who owns the property? If it is owned by the city, county or state, etc, then that sign is unenforceable.

It's not a government facility.

The 4-H Fairgrounds is a privately owned facility owned by the LaGrange County 4-H Fair Association, Inc.

 

[Roadie]

Yeah, totally missed that. Mea Culpa

 

[Bill of Rights]

Yeah, totally missed that. Mea Culpa

Not only that, even if it had been a county-owned location, if the 4H had leased it for the fair, they would be allowed to make whatever rules regarding firearms they wished.

Of course, all they can really do if you violate those rules is trespass you/make you "persona non grata", aka unwelcome there.

For my part, I prefer not to give money I've worked hard to earn to those who have no respect for my rights. In line with that, I respect their rights to the property they lease/own/whatever, and choose not to violate their rule on that subject. I don't want an elephant ear that badly.... they can go pound sand.

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Bill

 

[TheSpark]

All no gun signs in Indiana, no matter the wording, have 0 weight of law unless the location is legally a gun free zone. The LaGrange 4-h fair is not a legal no gun zone so you are absolutely okay to carry there. However, since the property is privately owned they can kick you out if they discover you. Conceal and be safe/happy.

Personally my guns seem to have absolutely no respect for these signs when not legally enforceable. They have on many occasions followed me right past such signs. Those rebels. I can almost surely guarantee you that if I made a visit to this fair they would do as they always do.

 

[singlemalt]

Clinton County fair is going on this week and they have no guns signs up at the fairgrounds. I'm not going but good to know the signage is meaningless just the same.

 

[indiana36Bravo]

Clinton County fair is going on this week and they have no guns signs up at the fairgrounds. I'm not going but good to know the signage is meaningless just the same.

Feel Free to come over a county to Boone and more than welcome to, with no signs at the entrance and free parking & admission

 

[hoosierdaddy1976]

didn't see any signage at the Newton county fairgrounds. Can't imagine there being any, since the county 4-h range is on the fairgrounds.