You make the call

[Coach]

The passage below is from the code of conduct/students rights/responsibilities from a University in this state. I cut and pasted it below. Does it mean that a student with a LTCH could carry on campus within the rules?

Weapons. Possession, use or distribution of explosives (including fireworks and ammunition), firearms(including air guns, BB guns, paintball, Tasers, facsimile weapons and pellet guns) except as permitted by law, or other weapons or dangerous objects such as arrows, axes, machetes, nun chucks, throwing stars or knives, including the storage of any item that falls within the category of a weapon in a vehicle parked on university property;

 

[churchmouse]

Kind of reads that way.
So these liberal butt heads are not allowing a simple pocket knife......

 

[K_W]

I read it as "Firearms" banned... which also is expanded to non firearms. The "as permitted by law" part could be argued... but if they are a private university then they will change it fast.

 

[MCgrease08]

It seems to be missing the second half.

All of those things are ... what?

 

[AngryRooster]

The way I see it, the "except as permitted by law" is the key to it. If it's not illegal then the rule (or whatever) doesn't apply. You would be forbidden to carry a firearm without a LTCH, but with one you are "permitted by law" so it doesn't apply to you. Would be the same way with an automatic knife, assuming they were still illegal in Indiana. You could carry a 4" folder or fixed blade but not a 4" automatic.

So it looks like the policy says they follow state law, in a round a bout way.

 

[Coach]

The way I see it, the "except as permitted by law" is the key to it. If it's not illegal then the rule (or whatever) doesn't apply. You would be forbidden to carry a firearm without a LTCH, but with one you are "permitted by law" so it doesn't apply to you. Would be the same way with an automatic knife, assuming they were still illegal in Indiana. You could carry a 4" folder or fixed blade but not a 4" automatic.

So it looks like the policy says they follow state law, in a round a bout way.

That is the way I read it.

 

[Coach]

It seems to be missing the second half.

All of those things are ... what?

Above the list of things that are not allowed was a line that said something to the effect that the following list is prohibited or contrary to what they allow.

 

[voidsherpa]

Make sure to get to your final year, semester and OC to your last final exams. See if they kick you off campus and fire up the litigation wagon.

 

[IndyDave1776]

The way I see it, the "except as permitted by law" is the key to it. If it's not illegal then the rule (or whatever) doesn't apply. You would be forbidden to carry a firearm without a LTCH, but with one you are "permitted by law" so it doesn't apply to you. Would be the same way with an automatic knife, assuming they were still illegal in Indiana. You could carry a 4" folder or fixed blade but not a 4" automatic.

So it looks like the policy says they follow state law, in a round a bout way.

I got the same thing with a flavor of trying to discourage as many people as possible from actually doing what the law allows.

 

[K_W]

...all of those things are legal to posses (except maybe throwing stars), and as such are "permitted by law"... so this policy does nothing.

I found the full policy...
https://www.marian.edu/docs/default...udentrightsandresponsibilities.docx?sfvrsn=14

 

[AngryRooster]

...all of those things are legal to posses (except maybe throwing stars), and as such are "permitted by law"... so this policy does nothing.

I found the full policy...
https://www.marian.edu/docs/default...udentrightsandresponsibilities.docx?sfvrsn=14

In reality it does nothing practical. What it does do is let the university say that they have a policy in place the addresses the issue. It makes the sheeple that don't understand what it says feel better. It doesn't have any effect on law abiding people, but at the same time satisfies the public, lawyers & insurance. It also gives them the ability to say that they are following state law and not discriminating or ignoring anyone, all the while not disrupting anyone's activity.

 

[Bennettjh]

The way I see it, the "except as permitted by law" is the key to it. If it's not illegal then the rule (or whatever) doesn't apply. You would be forbidden to carry a firearm without a LTCH, but with one you are "permitted by law" so it doesn't apply to you. Would be the same way with an automatic knife, assuming they were still illegal in Indiana. You could carry a 4" folder or fixed blade but not a 4" automatic.

So it looks like the policy says they follow state law, in a round a bout way.

Same here.

 

[The Bubba Effect]

I read it as "If the wrong person at the university finds out you are carrying, you will have problems, but if you CC and keep your mouth shut you will probably be GTG".

 

[nakinate]

I read it as meaning that concealed means concealed.

 

[eldirector]

I read it as:
a) LTCH is good to go
b) they don't like THROWING knives, but no mention of a good 'ole pocket knife.

 

[churchmouse]

I read it as:
a) LTCH is good to go
b) they don't like THROWING knives, but no mention of a good 'ole pocket knife.

I might have not really read that deep.

 

[LP1]

It's either a poorly written policy by someone who is not well informed about what is legal and what isn't, or it's a back door way to allow carrying while having a sounds-good policy. My guess is that it's the former; expecting it to be the latter is wishful thinking.

Considering that it's from a private university, the policy would likely fail a challenge from either side and then be quickly revised.

Conceal and STFU.

Doesn't the US Post Office have similar "lawful purposes" wording in their policy? And we know how that is interpreted...

 

[KittySlayer]

I read it as "If the wrong person at the university finds out you are carrying, you will have problems, but if you CC and keep your mouth shut you will probably be GTG".

"You know what we meant"

Think of the dilemma we face with the 2A use of the word militia and the placement of a comma. What seems simple is not always clear.

 

[KellyinAvon]

That was either written by committee and they left all the edits in, or someone didn't delete the contradictory parts. Their definition of "firearm" is nowhere near the State of Indiana's definition. Basically that's horribly written, probably on purpose.

 

[Coach]

I was told by the Chief of Police that only Law Enforcement was allowed to carry on campus. Any guest found to be carrying would be asked to leave. Students found carrying would be expelled. I told him that the policy does not read like that.