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    New Jersey politicians are hard at work making sure this is the only way a righteous citizen can get a gun to defend himself:
    The intruder allegedly arrived at the residence brandishing a semi-automatic handgun and a fight erupted with the man who lives at the home.

    Police say that during the altercation the resident was able to get control of the gun and fired — hitting 29-year-old Terrence Coulanges, of Old Bridge, who died later at an area trauma center.
    The two were acquainted, so there might be more to this, but as reported, sounds like good job on the part of the resident.
    https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...lowTwt_NYBrand

    N.B. : NBC New York reported this as an "unwanted visitor" and are taking a mountain of barn leavings for doing so. Possibly they were just trying to be funny but they aren't getting any breaks on this. Warning: language in some of the replies:
    https://twitter.com/NBCNewYork/statu...74260982005760

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue falcon View Post
    When did Indiana enact a castle doctrine? IC?

    I thought we had no duty to retreat. Supreme court 18??.
    Yeah, there's no duty to retreat, but the parts about protecting oneself in one's home have made that "easier." (That's not really what I mean - it isn't "easy" - but... more protections.)

    Indiana Code 2018 - Indiana General Assembly, 2019 Session

    Looks like the amendments I'm thinking of were mid-2000s and 2012.
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    Redundancy is all legislators do.

    No duty to retreat, covers anywhere you are any time.

    The same with the law to defend yourself against LEO unlawfully entering. The case should have been vacated by the courts because the original judge was wrong in his opinion.

    Sheesh! Lawyers!




  4. #464
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    Quote Originally Posted by blue falcon View Post
    Sheesh! Lawyers!
    Its all their fault.

    They suck.

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  5. #465
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    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to T.Lex again.


    ETA: ​Who was it that said the Law should be simple so that amy man can understand it?




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    Quote Originally Posted by T.Lex View Post
    They "why" of a person's presence at a location doesn't matter much. (Heck, even criminals doing crime have a right to self defense at a certain level.)

    It will matter if the person had a reasonable fear of death or serious bodily injury.

    I guess the "new" castle doctrine stuff (I still think of it as new) might come into play, but mostly it'll be an assessment of self defense, IMHO.
    Criminals have a right to self defense?
    "Una salus victis nullam sperare salutem."

    "A citizen may not be required to offer a 'good and substantial reason' why he should be permitted to exercise his rights. The rights existence is all the reason he needs." Benson Everett Legg - Woolard v. Sheridan

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    Quote Originally Posted by actaeon277 View Post
    Criminals have a right to self defense?
    Against unlawful force, yes.

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    From a Reddit user:

    I unfortunately knew a few of the suspects involved. The 2 surviving suspects have been charged with the death of the 3rd burglar. I've heard of similar things in other cases but that seems crazy.

    They were all heroin addicts as well, really sad what this drug does to our communities. Breaking into people's homes is horrible but it's still really sad that a man is dead, also horrible that innocent people had their property violated and were forced to protect it. He was actually not a bad person but that drug changes people, it takes over and starts making your decisions for you.
    We are Homo Ludens. We are those who play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GPIA7R View Post
    From a Reddit user:
    I've heard of similar things in other cases but that seems crazy.

    No. It doesn't.


    and were forced to protect it.

    Forced by the criminals.
    "Una salus victis nullam sperare salutem."

    "A citizen may not be required to offer a 'good and substantial reason' why he should be permitted to exercise his rights. The rights existence is all the reason he needs." Benson Everett Legg - Woolard v. Sheridan

    If you're a noob, develop thick skin, and read the FAQs

    Actaeon - act'-tee-on
    The death of Actaeon - http://www.paleothea.com/Myths/Actaeon.html


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    We are Homo Ludens. We are those who play.

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