Finally, a cop shoots someone in the leg....

[Frank_N_Stein]

[video=youtube;n5eywLoLCJs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5eywLoLCJs[/video]

I guess they teach them that kind of thing in Utah. And Tasers suck.

 

[croy]

Not sure any shots should have been fired. I didn't see any aggressive moves towards the officers. When the tazer didn't effect her I guess its reasonable to believe shes on something that a bullet may not stop right away At the same time she was told multiple times to drop the screw driver. At the same time Play stupid games win stupid prizes. When she gets out of prison maybe she'll be a little smarter when dealing with police.

 

[Route 45]

Looks like a good outcome to me. The Taser failed (big surprise, lol), and she was still armed with a deadly weapon and refused to drop it. Why not blow out the kneecaps if you've got the time and opportunity? A firearm is never a "less lethal" tool, but if it can be utilized in a potentially less lethal manner in cases where deadly force would be authorized anyway, then why not?

 

[croy]

Looks like a good outcome to me. The Taser failed (big surprise, lol), and she was still armed with a deadly weapon and refused to drop it. Why not blow out the kneecaps if you've got the time and opportunity? A firearm is never a "less lethal" tool, but if it can be utilized in a potentially less lethal manner in cases where deadly force would be authorized anyway, then why not?

I don't disagree with you at all. I'm not saying the cop was wrong at all. I have never been in situations like this. I don't know much about LEO training.

Here's what I do know. Cops show up tell me to drop the screw driver. Its getting dropped.

I'm certainly not cop bashing so don't take it that way. She had plenty of opportunities to drop it and failed to do so. Cop had shot her in the chest so be it. Less tax money needed to feed and house them.

 

[halfmileharry]

Cop is a nice guy.

 

[Route 45]

I don't disagree with you at all. I'm not saying the cop was wrong at all. I have never been in situations like this. I don't know much about LEO training.

Here's a little of that LEO training:

[video=youtube;17SNOqb_WUk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17SNOqb_WUk[/video]

 

[SmileDocHill]

I have zero applicable training so these are simply my thoughts for conversation sake. I'm fascinated by all the logic that has to go into how you even devise training concepts given the unimaginable ways any situation could play out.
Examples:
---If she shanks the dude next to her, hind sight (yeah, I know) will say cop should have dropped her earlier.
---If, for whatever reason, you use your gun with non lethal intent, what is the science behind higher percentage target location selection? I have an intimate knowledge of anat/physio and have my opinions but has anyone established an official policy?

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

I have zero applicable training so these are simply my thoughts for conversation sake. I'm fascinated by all the logic that has to go into how you even devise training concepts given the unimaginable ways any situation could play out.
Examples:
---If she shanks the dude next to her, hind sight (yeah, I know) will say cop should have dropped her earlier.
---If, for whatever reason, you use your gun with non lethal intent, what is the science behind higher percentage target location selection? I have an intimate knowledge of anat/physio and have my opinions but has anyone established an official policy?

We (at least IMPD) aren't trained in "non lethal intent" with a firearm. We are trained to shoot center mass until the threat stops, and head or pelvic bowl if the center mass shots don't achieve the desired outcome. If we want to use "non lethal" tools then we go with CS, Taser, or for some officers the beanbag shotgun.

 

[nakinate]

Great work by the officer. She had way too thick of clothing for a taser to work. I suppose he had try anyhow though.

 

[croy]

I have zero applicable training so these are simply my thoughts for conversation sake. I'm fascinated by all the logic that has to go into how you even devise training concepts given the unimaginable ways any situation could play out.
Examples:
---If she shanks the dude next to her, hind sight (yeah, I know) will say cop should have dropped her earlier.
---If, for whatever reason, you use your gun with non lethal intent, what is the science behind higher percentage target location selection? I have an intimate knowledge of anat/physio and have my opinions but has anyone established an official policy?

Right. It's a hard call. Fortunate enough I don't have to make those decisions.

Thanks for the video Route 45. Might show it to some people I know who refuse to carry with one in the chamber.

It all happens so quickly. I don't care if that lady is alive or dead. The police officer went home safely to his family. That's what matters to me.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Extremely lucky dealing with cops who knew who she was.

She deserved a head shot. Lucky she received less than she deserved.

 

[Dead Duck]

He should have just shot the screwdriver out of her hand.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

He should have just shot the screwdriver out of her hand.

When it was in front of her face?

 

[Dead Duck]

When it was in front of her face?

Oooo.... Challenge Accepted!

 

[churchmouse]

Oooo.... Challenge Accepted!

When my spouse returned to the range with us after a long absence she was amazed we were shooting dueling trees at 45+ yards. She asked why were we concentrating on small targets at those distances. Then she watched some of the shoot out videos and paid attention to scenarios on the tube. Now she gets it.

 

[halfmileharry]

He should have just shot the screwdriver out of her hand.

I watched a kid die of a screwdriver puncture to the heart. He couldn't catch his breath and died a miserable death in about 15 minutes. Nothing I could do to help him.
Anyone think a screwdriver isn't a deadly weapon is just ignorant.

 

[Vigilant]

Why didn’t he face shoot her with the taser? He didn’t have to resort to his firearm, he could have just run up on her for a drive stun to the nose.

 

[Expat]

I hope the cows weren’t traumatized.

 

[KellyinAvon]

I hope the cows weren’t traumatized.

Just standing around, chewing their cud and all of sudden it's Live PD! They did send a scout out to check on the activity. Maybe the PD will get a statement from that one, or have a BBQ.

The individual who got shot is not on a distinguished path. It will lead to "shot by Police". Oh wait, it did!

 

[Denny347]

Looks like a good outcome to me. The Taser failed (big surprise, lol), and she was still armed with a deadly weapon and refused to drop it. Why not blow out the kneecaps if you've got the time and opportunity? A firearm is never a "less lethal" tool, but if it can be utilized in a potentially less lethal manner in cases where deadly force would be authorized anyway, then why not?

It's called flinching (anticipation) when the officers hit the legs... BTW, a bullet can NEVER be considered "less lethal" as human bodies react poorly when a bullet is introduced, no matter the location.