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    GA: Tueller drill in real life

    I'm guessing suicide by cops.
    Police release body cam footage of officer shooting


    There are two body camera videos at the link and for once they are pretty clear and not obstructed by the officers' hands or movement.

    I looked for youtube versions I could embed here, but all the ones I found are edited, leave out parts of the video, and mostly feature talking heads.

    So follow the link.

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    Textbook suicide by cop, no doubt.

    Impressive self control and marksmanship under pressure at the end there.

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    Wow.


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    The first officer fired seven shots. Don't know the number of hits, but the knife guy got back up and attacked again. Don't know why the officer didn't shoot again immediately, even if he saw the knife was laying on the ground. It took two more shots from the other officer to put the attacker down for good. That's at least nine shots to stop the threat. One more than the S&W eight-shot Model 627, and three more than the standard revolver. Why do you need a 15+ round magazine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alamo View Post
    The first officer fired seven shots. Don't know the number of hits, but the knife guy got back up and attacked again. Don't know why the officer didn't shoot again immediately, even if he saw the knife was laying on the ground. It took two more shots from the other officer to put the attacker down for good. That's at least nine shots to stop the threat. One more than the S&W eight-shot Model 627, and three more than the standard revolver. Why do you need a 15+ round magazine?
    That's why the "If I can't handle it with XX shots . . ." thinking is absurd.

    NO ONE CAN PREDICT HOW MANY ROUNDS IT WILL TAKE TO STOP A THREAT.

    The statistics showing low rounds counts in defensive shootings also include psychological stops. When someone is shot once in the body and they fall or surrender immediately (assuming no central nervous system trauma or severe damage to skeletal support), it's because they chose to quit or were programmed to quit by popular culture. A person doesn't bleed that fast. Clearly situations are usually resolved with a small number of rounds expended, but what about those times when it doesn't go that way? Some people are more determined or are rendered a bit more durable via chemical abuse.



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    Hopefully the officers can find peace in knowing they did what they absolutely had to do. They gave dead guy every chance possible.
    Though it's just a memory
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    The Police involved did what they had to do.

    1. Itís not uncommon IME for a person to recover from the shock of being shot, when they fall to the ground it puts them into the same position you would put a shock victim. This position stabilizes the blood pressure and often they recover enough to stand back up and run.

    2. A human is a tougher animal than most think a highly motivated person can take a tremendous amount of damage often fatal and keep on running. We hunt deer with caliber restrictions for a reason, humans IMO should be viewed in the same manner, if you wanna stop them a 5.56, 7.62x39, 12 gauge or bigger is preferred. Sidearms are not very effective weapons in many situations this situation was one of them.

    3. The effects of someone you just shot several times getting back up is unnerving and may slow your reaction time as you mind processes WTF just happened.

    4. Your targets with a pistol are two grapefruit sized targets if you donít hit one of them the bad guy might run you down and kill you.

    5. I hope nobody here has to shoot anyone but everyone as a responsible person needs to Train and prepare for bad situations that get worse.

    BTW
    Rino IMO made some great points about some of the other human reactions that take place upon getting shot.
    Last edited by Brad69; 07-03-2019 at 21:52.
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    Scary stuff for sure.
    Well the sheriff couldn't catch me now, but his little girl? Sure wish she would.

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    This is what the angry black civil rights "you didn't have to kill him" types don't get.
    It's also what the world would look like for everyone, without stand-your-ground laws.

    When you start backing away, getting pushed into territory you cannot control and cannot effectively see, in this case with the perp between the officer and his cruiser, and you are required to give the perp every chance in the world, all kinds of stupid stuff can happen, which should totally not have to happen.

    Shooting is one thing. Shooting on the move is another. Fighting going backwards, is a whole different order of difficulty. You have to try it, to understand it.

    This is the reason why requiring private citizens to adhere to a principle of "exercising your duty of retreat" is a ludicrous concept dreamed up by high-minded but naÔve people who have never even thought about what it would require to try to survive this type of stressful encounter, and could frankly probably care less what they are asking people to do.

    It's also the reason I don't want to be a cop. I don't want to be a social worker while dancing backwards like Ginger Rogers and shooting.

    Last edited by Twangbanger; 07-03-2019 at 23:04.

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