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    Lawrence shooting: self defense?

    This just happened within the past day or two:

    EDIT: This version has more info than the Fox 59 version.

    https://www.wthr.com/article/suspect...s-self-defense

    There was apparently a verbal altercation. The victim untucked his shirt and then approached the suspect with his palms open and facing forward. Suspect draws and shoots the victim from a range of 4ft. Shooter had a valid LTCH and stayed at the scene.


    Now, thatís pretty limited info, but I think the shooter is going to have a tough time with this argument. Either there was more to the verbal altercation, or the shooter didnít understand his legal grounds to shoot. I always encourage gun owners to get legal training in addition to the physical aspect of self defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharmon7 View Post
    This just happened within the past day or two:

    https://fox59.com/2019/08/12/self-de...ence-shooting/

    There was apparently a verbal altercation. The victim untucked his shirt and then approached the suspect with his palms open and facing forward. Suspect draws and shoots the victim from a range of 4ft. Shooter had a valid LTCH and stayed at the scene.


    Now, thatís pretty limited info, but I think the shooter is going to have a tough time with this argument. Either there was more to the verbal altercation, or the shooter didnít understand his legal grounds to shoot. I always encourage gun owners to get legal training in addition to the physical aspect of self defense.
    I'm going to go out on a limb and say that a huge percentage of people with a LTCH have NO idea when they might be justified to use lethal force in defending themselves or others.
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    Can you get a LTCH at 18? I thought it was 21, but I've been wrong before...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jagee View Post
    Can you get a LTCH at 18? I thought it was 21, but I've been wrong before...
    Yes you can get it at 18. Canít buy a handgun from a dealer until 21

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagee View Post
    Can you get a LTCH at 18? I thought it was 21, but I've been wrong before...
    18 for LTCH, 21 to buy a handgun from an FFL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rooster View Post
    Yes you can get it at 18. Canít buy a handgun from a dealer until 21
    Ninja'd by a Rooster!! Serious question: did I read in another story he was in his car? If yes that is Castle Doctrine.
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    Palms out- don't shoot.

    Wouldn't want to be the shooter in this case

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    Grandmaster jsharmon7's Avatar

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyinAvon View Post
    Ninja'd by a Rooster!! Serious question: did I read in another story he was in his car? If yes that is Castle Doctrine.
    The gun was located in his car. Shooting happened in the restaurant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharmon7 View Post
    The gun was located in his car. Shooting happened in the restaurant.
    Thanks, this looks like a mess.
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    Doesn't look good from the armchair.
    I hear They call him Flipper. Yes... yes, I'm serious.

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