EDP's attack car with father and childern inside.

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  • worddoer

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    Wow...interesting video. Woman riding bike along street accuses someone that they stole her car. It seems that others along the street just assume the lady ranting about her car being stolen is truthful and they would rather attack the people inside rather than call law enforcement. They surround the car and start trying to get inside, beat on it, and hitting it with things. Then as the driver is attempting to drive away, guy jumps on hood and won't get off while a couple of bikers are chasing behind them. Video does not show a resolution and the commentator does not know the results.

    All of this because some crazy lady riding a bike started yelling that "this guy stole my car"!

    Makes me think about how I would have handled this situation. I think this driver showed great restraint.
     

    HoughMade

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    Started with one crazy meth head and then a bunch of a-holes jump in and decide to be heroes. I have my ideas as to why they were so quick to believe the trash, but anyhoo- scary.

    I don't believe the scenario that there was a feral pack of emotionally disturbed people roaming around (do we really need more acronyms?)
     

    Cameramonkey

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    Started with one crazy meth head and then a bunch of a-holes jump in and decide to be heroes. I have my ideas as to why they were so quick to believe the trash, but anyhoo- scary.

    I don't believe the scenario that there was a feral pack of emotionally disturbed people roaming around (do we really need more acronyms?)


    I counted at least two EDPs. The guy standing with his hand in his jacket wasnt playing with a full deck. I would also place a small amount of money that he wasnt sober at the time. Nobody sober is that calm in that kind of situation, especially while on the hood driving down the road. He was comfortably numb to quote the 'Floyd. The rest were just clueless heroes.
     

    bwframe

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    Driver in the vid got too close and wedged himself in. If he left more space, he might have evaded the crazy people. He also should not have engaged the crazy. It was time to go, not argue with the nut jobs or wait for them to morph into more.

    I'm not much for most of the lawyer talk, but him explaining that the "fear for my life," not being magic words was pretty informative. I thought when the driver used those words to 911, it sounded almost canned, as if he was CYA?
     
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    ColdSteel223

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    The man makes part of his living by selling his knowledge. In the video he GIVES some of his knowledge away FREE. If you want to learn more, he is more than willing to sell you all the information you want to pay for. FREE knowledge is good. It would be great if that little bit of knowledge that you picked up for FREE kept you out of prison the rest of your life.

    If on the other hand you are an accomplished lawyer, that has a mastery of the law of self defense, you would have no need to waste your time watching a marketing tactic video that might have some information that could keep your ass out of prison had you only watched a FREE video.

    To each his own. Knowledge is power. Free is free, all it cost is the time to watch. Going to set my clocks forward and go to bed. Darn, now I don't have the time to watch the video......
     

    Trapper Jim

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    Some people believe that to a degree if one thinks about the legal aftermath or other scenario based training ( SBT ) during the need for presentation you are already kilt.
     

    ColdSteel223

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    Carrying and the possible defensive use of a firearm is a thinking persons "game". When one reacts out of emotion and or fear that is when mistakes are made. Mistakes like shooting the wrong person (missing your intended target), shooting when NOT justified in using deadly force (as talked about in the video). Mistakes that have life altering endings for everyone involved. When you put a gun on you have to engage your brain. Being exposed to the 5 elements of self defense is just a start. If you have a basic under standing of the 5 elements, you are that much ahead of the curve on the justified part.

    There is a multitude of things one must be processing in their brain, sights, backstop, trigger, follow thru, is the target still a threat, yes, shoot again no, stop shooting. You must start the process with "Am I justified in shooting?" if not, and you shoot anyway good luck with your attorney bills and possible prison. It may take just a few milliseconds to make the decision to shoot depending on the circumstances and or scenario, less time than an eye blink. Use your time well.

    Bad guys don't care, they don't think, prison is just a normal place to them. Don't be a bad guy, stay out of jail. No normal person wants to shoot someone else. If you shoot someone, be darn sure you HAD to before you do.
     

    bwframe

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    Some people believe that to a degree if one thinks about the legal aftermath or other scenario based training ( SBT ) during the need for presentation you are already kilt.

    Who are these "some people" Jim? Please name them.

    How exactly would you have handled this situation Jim? If you were in the driver's seat with your kids in the back, what would you have done?
     

    Trapper Jim

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    Who are these "some people" Jim? Please name them.

    How exactly would you have handled this situation Jim? If you were in the driver's seat with your kids in the back, what would you have done?

    I, for one, do not dwell on shoulda, coulda, woulda. You may not agree but that’s your choice. IMHO SBT is reserved for only after the ability driven skill set has reached a personal best. I see SBT taking up mind space when in fact the user drops his High Point, cracks his Fobus, or trying to find the dot, etc. and worrying about Perry Mason to the point he is wormfood anyway. Just a different view is all.
     

    bwframe

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    I, for one, do not dwell on shoulda, coulda, woulda. You may not agree but that’s your choice. IMHO SBT is reserved for only after the ability driven skill set has reached a personal best. I see SBT taking up mind space when in fact the user drops his High Point, cracks his Fobus, or trying to find the dot, etc. and worrying about Perry Mason to the point he is wormfood anyway. Just a different view is all.

    In other words, you don't know?

    What's up with the High Point and Fobus? Is that your preferred gear?


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    ColdSteel223

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    How many years must one spend attaining a "personal best"? Should one wait to carry for personal protection until they have attained "personal best"? Do they go ahead and carry WITHOUT any concept of WHEN and WHY they might be leaglly allowed to shoot and posibly KILL someone in self defense? Hope for the best at the end of it all.... (Hope is not a good action plan by the way.) It is a cheesy comic book line but, with great power comes great responsibility.

    Kind of like giving a 17 year old keys to a 500+ HP car with no trainging of when it is OK to open the throttle.

    Speaking of cars, if by watching the original video, someone decides that locking their cars doors while in the car would be a good idea. It would be worth their time to watch the whole darn video. Just that one thing, locking your cars doors, a very small action could have a HUGE pay off. what if the guy that opened the driver door had a knife or broken bottle or a syringe of unknown substance and you or one of your kids got stuck or cut? Just by watching a simple video, of something that actually happened to someone, gets you to lock your car, that would be priceless.

    I believe that I am done with this, either you just like to argue with strangers on the internet or your training methods are so rigid and set in stone that any "new" information that challenges a preconceived plan are to be disregarded as to advanced or to dangerous for a novice. Like it or not each bullet that leaves the barrel of a gun has a lawyer attached to it. Ignorance of the law, still, is not a valid excuse. Master or novice, it matters not.

    I was going to just leave the link, but, that could be to much trouble for some to click. The below was written by Louis Awerbuck. So much knowledge gone far to soon. I encourage everyone to read everything Louis put to paper or video, study it, learn it, live it.

    https://www.swatmag.com/article/training-tactics-bullet/

    Training and Tactics: I Am the Bullet

    I am the bullet—and I have no conscience.
    You will treat me with respect because, once I leave, you have no control over my actions. Once I’m gone, I will do as I please, governed only by the laws of physics. And the next time you see me, I will have done my work, bringing on your life a potential gamut of emotions ranging from pleasure, satisfaction and exhilaration to anger, pain, grief and regret.

    Use me wisely and with discretion, for I can snuff out the flame of a king’s life as easily as I can bring delight to a ten-year-old’s face by recording for posterity a first bullseye on a humble paper target.

    It took the fire of a crucible to conceive me, but now I’m no longer molten metal—and therein lies the deceptiveness of my power. When I was cast in the mold of hot lead, you knew I was dangerous, but now you underestimate me as I lie in the womb of the cartridge case, a solidified metal teardrop the size of your fingernail. Beware, for the day I’m born I will go from womb to tomb in a fraction of a second. For me there will be no childhood, no puberty, no adulthood—just a nano-second of flight before I find my terminal resting place.

    You must be mother, father, teacher, and priest, because you will guide me on my short life’s path. I am but an emotionless inanimate object with no conscience. Once the hot gases of propulsion give birth to my destination, they will also signal my death knell. Instant birth to instant rest, with but a momentary tick of the clock to bring pleasure or pain.

    The responsibility for my actions rests squarely on your shoulders. You conceived me, you entombed me in a cartridge case with my brother primer and sister gunpowder, slaves to your bidding.
    If you didn’t cast, size, lube and load me yourself, you bought me just like you bought Mister Gump’s box of chocolates. But unlike the box of chocolates, with me you know what you’re going to get. I am the corked bottle encasing a quiescent genie. Once the genie is free, you know exactly what potential can be unleashed—but you had better choose your three wishes wisely.

    The acquisition of firearms and ammunition is sequential, one way or the other. Rarely does one initially have a vast supply of ammo of a specific caliber and subsequently acquire a firearm to use or expend this supply. While people often buy a secondary or tertiary weapon for this reason, usually one purchases the gun, cleaning equipment, accessories, and a storage unit—be it a case, bag or gun safe—before any thought is given to what ammunition is going to be obtained and used in the weapon.

    And after spending a king’s ransom on all this equipment, you head for the local gun emporium and spend a pittance on a case of the cheapest garbage military surplus ammo you can find.
    Then when you miss, you blame it on me. When you accidentally discharge a firearm because you neglected to extract me from the chamber, you blame it on me. When I plow my way through bone and muscle, and fail to incapacitate a madman, you blame it on me. But when you achieve the result you wanted, then it’s because of your masterful ability, and I’m forgotten—used, expended, and spent.

    Such is my lot—Man’s ingratitude and lack of respect for the humble bullet. Because you paid for the ammunition, I become your possession. But you don’t own me—I own your soul. I will make you or break you in my short lifespan.
    The slightest marksmanship error on your part and I will embarrass you in front of your peers. The slightest lapse in concentration while manipulating a firearm and I will take an innocent life. I will ricochet off a windshield, belt buckle, or baseball cap bill when you’ve been told I should have penetrated the material—and I will just as easily over-penetrate an apartment wall and snuff out the future of a defenseless child.

    Doctor Mann spent a lifetime trying to find out why I didn’t always perform as external ballistics would demand I do—and he went to his grave with my secret intact. But you insist on imbibing alcohol and firing bullets into the air in a puerile Yuletide celebration, understanding nothing of the physics of my flight path—or my power to change your life forever.

    You spend endless hours discussing the merits and demerits of my size and velocity, but when all is said and done, it really doesn’t mean anything. The truth of the matter is that, once I depart your gun muzzle, you no longer have control over me—and I, too, no longer have control over my own destiny.

    The next time you see a humble unfired bullet, remember that without me your gun is as useless as fingers on a rooster. And once loaded, I can be as dangerous as a drunk in rush hour traffic. Once my power is unleashed, there can be only two results—delight and satisfaction, or disaster and horror. And this will reach fruition in the blink of an eye, for I have no childhood, no puberty, no adulthood.

    Treat me with respect, for I am the bullet—and I have no conscience.

    [This first appeared ten years ago in the December 2004 issue, demonstrating that Louis Awerbuck’s articles are timeless.]
     

    churchmouse

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    Last chance people.

    If this one goes
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