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  1. #11
    Grandmaster Sigblitz's Avatar

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    Not legal advice...
    I was in my car...
    Seems I was way off on LOP...I should Google that.

  2. #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ggreen View Post
    This is mostly wrong.

    You do not have to or even need to loctite your blade in position. I use them on my pistols for simplicity and have never had one loosen in use.

    13.5 is the max lop for a pistol. Rear of brace to front flat of trigger. Longer and it can be called an sbr.

    If your gun measures 26.5" in its smallest usable format you can use a vfg. This doesn't count muzzle devices unless they are welded. Brace must be all the way forward. If it does not require a buffer to operate you must measure to the back of the reciever.
    Mostly correct. Everything I read references OAL at 26". This is the threshold ATF determined is no longer concealable. Unless you're actually concealing it, then it's an AOW.

    This time I used Google.

    EDIT: Pistol with OAL >26" and vertical grip. OC ok and grip has to be in most forward position. Conceil or grip set back, AOW and 10 years in the pokey.
    Last edited by Sigblitz; 10-15-2019 at 06:31.

  3. #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by flatlander View Post
    Not completely true. If I remember, the SB4 goes on a regular mil spec buffer .

    Bob
    Correct... the SBA4 comes with a 6-position mil-spec 7075 receiver extension and is LOP adjustable like an M4 buttstock. I have one on an Aero Precision 8 1:7 300 AAC Blackout upper. Who needs an SBR when you can have this?
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    OP here, after having assembled and played with my AR pistol with regular pistol buffer tube, I have decided it sucks and not a lot of fun to shoot. I kinda suspected as much even before I built it.
    So, Im thinking of SBRing the upper. Its a 7.5 barrelled upper. If I was to put this together with a rifle lower it is then considered an SBR, correct? To make this legal to own and play with, what do I need to do and how much does it cost in SBR-BS taxes?

    Thanks, Matt

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    E-File a Form 1 to make the SBR. It is taking about 30 days right now and the tax is $200
    VUPDblue's Rule #1: Don't be a jerk.

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  6. #16
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    Don't forget the NFA engraving on the lower and the cost of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yamadog35 View Post
    Don't forget the NFA engraving on the lower and the cost of that.
    I know nothing about needing engraving on the lower. Can I do it myself? (CNC machining center)

    Would it then be a legal issue if I stuck a full length rifle upper on it?

    Matt

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    Yes you can. There's certain criteria you have to meet (depth, height, and information) but you can do it.

    An SBR can have a 16+ inch barrel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Notalentbum View Post
    OP here, after having assembled and played with my AR pistol with regular pistol buffer tube, I have decided it sucks and not a lot of fun to shoot. I kinda suspected as much even before I built it.
    So, Im thinking of SBRing the upper. Its a 7.5 barrelled upper. If I was to put this together with a rifle lower it is then considered an SBR, correct? To make this legal to own and play with, what do I need to do and how much does it cost in SBR-BS taxes?

    Thanks, Matt
    You don't SBR the upper, in an AR, it's the lower that gets registered. The tax is $200 for a form 1.

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