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    I have a question regarding pistol/SBR

    Bear Creek has a great price on a 7.5Ē pistol upper assembly. I am very temped to buy one or six. I donít do well at understanding legal speak so about two sentences into the laws regarding SBRs and AR pistols Iím confused and lost.
    I have a brand new assembled lower less the tube and spring. Is it only the stock/shoulder pad that determines whether the assembled firearm is an SBR or classified as a pistol?
    Also, is an AR pistol no different legally than any other pistol and is an SBR a class III controlled firearm?

    Thanks, Matt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Notalentbum View Post
    Bear Creek has a great price on a 7.5Ē pistol upper assembly. I am very temped to buy one or six. I donít do well at understanding legal speak so about two sentences into the laws regarding SBRs and AR pistols Iím confused and lost.
    I have a brand new assembled lower less the tube and spring. Is it only the stock/shoulder pad that determines whether the assembled firearm is an SBR or classified as a pistol?
    Also, is an AR pistol no different legally than any other pistol and is an SBR a class III controlled firearm?

    Thanks, Matt
    For an AR pistol, you need a pistol buffer tube. Basically a buffer tube that can't take a stock. An AR pistol falls on the same laws as carrying a pistol in Indiana. You need to have a LTCH. 3rd, yes, a SBR is regulated under NFA laws.
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    I am not a fan of bear creek. JMHO and spend your dollars as you will.
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    Start your build as a pistol. Put the stabilizer brace on it and you're good to go. Since the brace was not designed to be shouldered, it's considered an accessory, not a stock. Just make sure not to put a vertical foregeip on it.

    And in reality, there is no difference between a SBR and a pistol w/ a brace except the previous mentioned vertical foregrip........and the possibility of a braced pistol becoming a no-no with the swipe of a pen.


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    Stupid federal law:Once a rifle, ALWAYS a rifle.

    If it starts its life as a pistol (or "other" if purchased as a stripped lower) you may convert it to a rifle later. CAREFULLY. As this author mentions, its probably a good idea to also have an AR rifle as well to avoid what they fail to mention by name that COULD send you to jail; "constructive possession" of a SBR without a stamp. If you bought the lower with a stock preassembled, it was almost always transferred as a rifle.

    A good, short FAQ here.
    https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/-/122-266557/?

    And in any case, if there are any doubts whether you started with a pistol or virgin (other) lower, just buy a virgin lower and start over. Last thing you want to find out is the stripped lower you bought used from a guy was actually purchased as a rifle on the 4473. (e.g. you use the pistol for a defensive use and during the investigation they trace it back to the original rifle 4473. oops.) I doubt it would happen, or that the prosecutor would be vindictive, but I'm too pretty for prison so I err on the side of extreme caution... and lowers are cheap. $100 or less to know I wont go to jail? OK!
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    I didnít think to mention, this particular lower was from one of the INGO group buys. Pretty sure all these have been sold as ďotherĒ on 4473.
    As I understand what has been posted, I must have a pistol tube on my AR pistol as a rifle tube could accept a stock making it an SBR and no vertical foregrips.
    I have several complete ARs along with a few more complete uppers. I never picked up the tube, spring and buffer for this INGO lower as I had never decided how I was going to use it.

    Thanks, Matt

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    Not legal advice, but you can put a Bladetech on it. The buffer tubes have dimples and you tighten a set screw for length of pull. The blade can't be permanently affixed, which means you put blue locktite on the set screw and not red. I believe length of pull can't exceed 23", measured from the end of the blade to the trigger flat. You can put a Magpull angled forgrip on it, but not a vertical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MontereyC6 View Post
    For an AR pistol, you need a pistol buffer tube. Basically a buffer tube that can't take a stock. An AR pistol falls on the same laws as carrying a pistol in Indiana. You need to have a LTCH. 3rd, yes, a SBR is regulated under NFA laws.
    Not completely true. If I remember, the SB4 goes on a regular mil spec buffer .

    Bob

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    Quote Originally Posted by flatlander View Post
    Not completely true. If I remember, the SB4 goes on a regular mil spec buffer .

    Bob
    Could be possible., I have a 2nd generation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigblitz View Post
    Not legal advice, but you can put a Bladetech on it. The buffer tubes have dimples and you tighten a set screw for length of pull. The blade can't be permanently affixed, which means you put blue locktite on the set screw and not red. I believe length of pull can't exceed 23", measured from the end of the blade to the trigger flat. You can put a Magpull angled forgrip on it, but not a vertical.
    This is mostly wrong.

    You do not have to or even need to loctite your blade in position. I use them on my pistols for simplicity and have never had one loosen in use.

    13.5 is the max lop for a pistol. Rear of brace to front flat of trigger. Longer and it can be called an sbr.

    If your gun measures 26.5" in its smallest usable format you can use a vfg. This doesn't count muzzle devices unless they are welded. Brace must be all the way forward. If it does not require a buffer to operate you must measure to the back of the reciever.


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