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    Am I The Only Person Who Didn't Get Guns from the ATF?




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    Im not 100% aware of that story.
    Is it about the ATF providing guns to mexicans gun dealers or something like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvain View Post
    Im not 100% aware of that story.
    Is it about the ATF providing guns to mexicans gun dealers or something like that?
    Basically, the ATF intentionally allowed illegal straw purchases to take place so that they could follow where the guns went and make a bigger arrest in the end. Sadly, some of the guns that they "let walk" ended up being used to kill federal agents.

    I don't have the links right now, but I read that at least one gun shop along the Mexican border reported that there were sales THEY wanted to refuse to make because they were suspicious, but the ATF instructed them to make the sale anyway.

    ATF agents tried to speak up against the policy to supervisors but were threatened with being transferred out, called names for not doing their jobs, and so on. Eventually, they went public.

    Now Congress is trying to investigate the whole thing, now being called Project Gunrunner or Operation Fast & Furious, and the Justice Department is blocking the ATF from providing the documents subpoenaed by Congress.

    In the past week, we learned that this was not only happening along Mexican border states, but also in Florida with guns going to Honduras to eventually come up through Mexico.

    Here are a few links for ya…

    Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico - CBS News

    Breaking News: Source claims ATF's Tampa SAC walked guns to Honduras - National gun rights | Examiner.com

    Justice Department Obstructing 'Fast and Furious' Gun Probe, ATF Director Says - FoxNews.com

    Project Gunrunner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    http://ingunowners.com/forums/genera...il_2009_a.html
    Last edited by mk2ja; 07-09-2011 at 11:54.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bglaze View Post
    mk2ja, for an Unreasonable Argumentative A**, you're makin' some d**n good points!
    Everything the Marines taught me about rifle marksmanship, I had already learned from the Appleseed Project. Find an event near you!

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    No not the only one, I never buy guns from the ATF....I would make them go thru an FFL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mk2ja View Post
    Basically, the ATF intentionally allowed illegal straw purchases to take place so that they could follow where the guns went and make a bigger arrest in the end. Sadly, some of the guns that they "let walk" ended up being used to kill federal agents.

    I don't have the links right now, but I read that at least one gun shop along the Mexican border reported that there were sales THEY wanted to refuse to make because they were suspicious, but the ATF instructed them to make the sale anyway.

    ATF agents tried to speak up against the policy to supervisors but were threatened with being transferred out, called names for not doing their jobs, and so on. Eventually, they went public.

    Now Congress is trying to investigate the whole thing, now being called Project Gunrunner or Operation Fast & Furious, and the Justice Department is blocking the ATF from providing the documents subpoenaed by Congress.

    In the past week, we learned that this was not only happening along Mexican border states, but also in Florida with guns going to Honduras to eventually come up through Mexico.

    Here are a few links for ya…

    Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico - CBS News

    Breaking News: Source claims ATF's Tampa SAC walked guns to Honduras - National gun rights | Examiner.com

    Justice Department Obstructing 'Fast and Furious' Gun Probe, ATF Director Says - FoxNews.com

    Project Gunrunner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    http://ingunowners.com/forums/genera...il_2009_a.html
    Thanks for the info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mk2ja View Post
    Basically, the ATF intentionally allowed illegal straw purchases to take place so that they could follow where the guns went and make a bigger arrest in the end. Sadly, some of the guns that they "let walk" ended up being used to kill federal agents.
    This is the ATF's version of it.

    Turns out they know who the big buyers are already. So their reason is bunk. Not to mention they can't make any arrests anyway. Not to mention too, that the ATF is complicit in smuggling guns into a sovereign nation.

    Smart money is that the Obama administration wants to track these weapons as being bought here and used in crime. I'm sure they have a noble motive for that...

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    I'm worried the ATF want to take my guns to give them to MEXICO

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunman41mag View Post
    I'm worried the ATF want to take my guns to give them to MEXICO
    The new atf ar...press 1 for single fire ...press 2 for spanish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crispy View Post
    This is the ATF's version of it.

    Turns out they know who the big buyers are already. So their reason is bunk. Not to mention they can't make any arrests anyway. Not to mention too, that the ATF is complicit in smuggling guns into a sovereign nation.

    Smart money is that the Obama administration wants to track these weapons as being bought here and used in crime. I'm sure they have a noble motive for that...
    This.

    They didn't even bother following the guns past the border. So the "tracing them back" excuse is a huge load of excrement.

    They did it to create a political chip for Barry and Holder to use to push gun control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smitty12b View Post
    The new atf ar...press 1 for single fire ...press 2 for spanish.
    Que tu dice
    translated in ENGLISH {WHAT are you saying}

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