Smart Guns in Police Holsters, NYDN

[Kirk Freeman]

Akin to a dog giving advice on F-1 racing or heart surgery, the New York Daily News prints an editorial from Washington Ceasefire on "smart guns" for the police.

What I find hilarious is that "smart gun" technology would already be here if the antis had not tried to force it down our throats.

Smart guns in police holsters - NY Daily News

 

[MarkC]

it is also interesting that these smart gun proponents, who have no interest in being armed themselves, desire to foist this technology on law enforcement. As a retired LEO, I find that distasteful.

To take Kirk's analogy one step further, if their loved one was undergoing heart surgery, they would not select the surgeon getting his advice from the dog.

If Michael Bloomberg truly believed in this technology, why isn't his armed security all equipped with smart guns?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Fine. All the legislators have to do is pass a law that mandates their LEAs test and adopt the best "smart gun" available. Someone needs to be the gueana pig...sheriff's association letters to the contrary be damned.

Oh, and that part dreaming of a day where the 250,000 stolen guns will be no longer be a danger to LEOs if only they were smart guns...just exactly how is that supposed to work?

 

[pilotof727s]

There is a smart gun on the market. Why don't the proponents of this bill arm their security personnel with them? It might have a bigger impact, although I have a feeling that no matter what they do the bill will fall flat on its face with the pro-2A community. And we are a big community.

 

[JeremiahJohnson]

The author makes a good point. Think about it, if the police department (or the military) picks up on any one technology then the money flow tends to - through economies of scale - bring the cost of that product down and refine it to a more robust and reliable technology speeding the infusion into the market curve. So, where the author fall flat is the next step.

The next step isn't to force police departments to accept a technology that's not yet truly reliable for their rigorous and demanding application, but to allow free market to reign. We don't force technology, we let technology forge it's own way through success and refined application. The argument is this technology would make police lives safer and make the job of law enforcement easier - right? Then let those who produce it prove that to those who purchase weapons for the police departments (and the military for that matter). Win some fly-off competitions. Debut test results at the SHOT show. Plead your case - showcase your product - convince your market they need you!!!

THAT ladies and gents is how it's done. We don't wag the dog technology into a market and hope it all works out. If it doesn't, dead police officers are on your hands.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

The next step isn't to force police departments to accept a technology that's not yet truly reliable for their rigorous and demanding application, but to allow free market to reign. We don't force technology, we let technology forge it's own way through success and refined application.

To the Left, politics is close order drill, this includes the economy.

Freedom and market forces are alien concepts to them. The ukaz and the stick are all they know.

This fetish for blunt power blinds them to their own ignorance of firearms.

They do not know an automatic rifle from an automatic first down. And they have no idea that sometimes it gets cold in New York City and cops wear gloves.

 

[MarkC]

To the Left, politics is close order drill, this includes the economy.

Freedom and market forces are alien concepts to them. The ukaz and the stick are all they know.

This fetish for blunt power blinds them to their own ignorance of firearms.

They do not know an automatic rifle from an automatic first down. And they have no idea that sometimes it gets cold in New York City and cops wear gloves.

Much like alcoholic beverages and healthcare, the free market is suffering "market distortion" because of government regulation. The market is not in a position to sort this out.

This is truly about power and not what is the best policy for society.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Much like alcoholic beverages and healthcare, the free market is suffering "market distortion" because of government regulation. The market is not in a position to sort this out.

This is truly about power and not what is the best policy for society.

The best policy for society is the policy that consolidates power in the command and control segment of society ("the planners" to use Hayek's term).

Reminds me of a Soviet joke: What is socialism? A glorious horizon that retreats the quicker we rush to meet it.

 

[JeremiahJohnson]

Love your sense of humor Kirk.

The RFID technology, in this application, is NOT proven, mature or insertion ready. Just because the author says is, doesn't make it true.

So, take your technology to the next contract competition and win. Supply samples to NSWC Crane small arms division for testing, pay for said testing, get involved, push for SOCOM to give it a look. When you've been tested like the winners have, and you beat the competition, you're in a position to win a contract. THAT's how it works.

 

[JeremiahJohnson]

By the way, anyone here go to the SHOT show this year? I didn't, but know several that did...haven't heard any of them talking about smart technology...haven't read any articles about smart technology demonstrated there...

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Love your sense of humor Kirk.

All the jokes that I tell are funnier when I tell them in Russian.

I also do better with women in bars when I speak in Russian. This way they cannot tell that I am a jerk.

 

[DeadeyeChrista'sdad]

I also do better with women in bars when I speak in Russian. This way they cannot tell that I am a jerk.

Oh, I don't know about that...

 

[MCgrease08]

The first line of article is a lie designed to stir up emotional feelings.

Gun violence is one of our nation’s most significant and vexing public health problems.

Heart disease and cancer account for nearly 56% of deaths in the United States. Even if you lump suicides into gun deaths, which of course the author does, it's a miniscule percentage. All suicides, not just gun suicides, only account for 1.6% of deaths in the U.S.

I'd hardly call that "significant."

https://www.google.com/amp/www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/amp/282929

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Just so we all remember, the cops have already laid out their specs for "smart guns". Not happening.

DOJ Smart Gun Specs are Telling | Shall Not Be Questioned

 

[actaeon277]

Neither the NRA nor the National Shooting Sports Foundation is on record as being against smart guns. They simply demand to know they’re reliable — a concern that would go away if major law enforcement agencies across the country step up and adopt smart guns as standard gear.

Ahh, guess what....
https://www.concealedcarry-ccw.com/test-armatix-ip1-smart-gun-major-failure/

 

[actaeon277]

https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2013/...s-smart-gun-that-fails-every-single-magazine/

He ridiculed manufacturer Armatix’s claim that it could determine, with 90 percent accuracy, whether a gun was being held by a person wearing a watch meant to pair with the firearm. And he took aim at its claimed ability to only fire when pointed at its target.
“When I’m talking about targets, I’m talking about someone who’s about to rape my wife,” Carroll said. “And I want to be sure that the gun goes off when I’m firing at that particular target.”



If the Armatix pistol works just 90-percent of the time, then we’re talking about a firearm that experiences a failure every single magazine. By way of comparison, the RFI for the military’s Modular Handgun System requires a minimum of 2,000 rounds between stoppages and 10,000 rounds between failures. In addition to it’s unacceptably high failure rate, Armatix only shows a single model on their web site, the 1P1, which only exists as a .22LR.