AR 15's Have no place in the home!

[wcd]

Reading one of the blogs I read and come across this story about 3 Oklahoma teens that were shot,one died. Appears according to the grandfather of the deceased teen declared the AR had no place in that guys home and he didn't have to shoot them. Really what have we come to as a society? When are we going to stop with the he didn't have to die. And when are we going to start with they didn't have to break into someone's home.

 

[AngryRooster]

Reading one of the blogs I read and come across this story about 3 Oklahoma teens that were shot,one died. Appears according to the grandfather of the deceased teen declared the AR had no place in that guys home and he didn't have to shoot them. Really what have we come to as a society? When are we going to stop with the he didn't have to die. And when are we going to start with they didn't have to break into someone's home.

The blog sounds like it's missing some info and is wrong. There were 3 that broke into the house, all masked up, 2 armed. All 3 were shot and killed, not just one.
More here. https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...wners-3-masked-home-invaders-not-so-much.html

 

[wcd]

The blog sounds like it's missing some info and is wrong. There were 3 that broke into the house, all masked up, 2 armed. All 3 were shot and killed, not just one.
More here. https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...wners-3-masked-home-invaders-not-so-much.html

Thanks now I know the rest of the story.

 

[throttletony]

No time for talking or questions first.... ridiculous.

Masked, armed, and uninvited in my house.. no sir!

 

[throttletony]

On second thought, maybe the perps thought they were attending a ski mask convention? Recent burn victims support group? Indoor refrigeration expo?

... strong purple implied

 

[lonehoosier]

Dupe X4

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...wners-3-masked-home-invaders-not-so-much.html

 

[Bennettjh]

They belong in my home. As many as I can stuff in it.

 

[K_W]

The specific arguments cited from the blog have no merit...

However, there is a tiny bit of merit in the "AR 15 is not a good home defense gun"... if you live in a drywall over plywood and vinyl sided starter home with neighbors 10 ft away... but in general AR 15 platform IS a proper home defense weapon. You just have to account for your surroundings in your choice of weapon and round.

 

[wcd]

The specific arguments cited from the blog have no merit...

However, there is a tiny bit of merit in the "AR 15 is not a good home defense gun"... if you live in a drywall over plywood and vinyl sided starter home with neighbors 10 ft away... but in general AR 15 platform IS a proper home defense weapon. You just have to account for your surroundings in your choice of weapon and round.

Agreed but I have a strong suspicion that if a person used a Nerf Gun it would be too much. The real underlying question here is when will people!e stop blaming the tool that was used consistent with a self defense tool and stop making victims out of criminals.

 

[in625shooter]

The specific arguments cited from the blog have no merit...

However, there is a tiny bit of merit in the "AR 15 is not a good home defense gun"... if you live in a drywall over plywood and vinyl sided starter home with neighbors 10 ft away... but in general AR 15 platform IS a proper home defense weapon. You just have to account for your surroundings in your choice of weapon and round.

Respectfully, That's actually antiquated. For the past several years FBI SWAT has transitioned to the M4 for building entries. With standard 55gr the 5.56 has about the same 12-18" with IWBA 4 ply denim that handgun rounds do. As far as drywall again 55 gr has not much worse overpenitrate hazard than standard handgun rounds.

I can't send work stuff out but here is a similar public site with much the same material

About .223 Penetration

 

[BehindBlueI's]

The specific arguments cited from the blog have no merit...

However, there is a tiny bit of merit in the "AR 15 is not a good home defense gun"... if you live in a drywall over plywood and vinyl sided starter home with neighbors 10 ft away... but in general AR 15 platform IS a proper home defense weapon. You just have to account for your surroundings in your choice of weapon and round.

I strongly disagree. The AR with proper ammo selection is probably the best option in such a situation. There is no pistol bullet that will reliably penetrate enough AND not blow through walls, you get one or the other. With high speed lightweight fragmenting rifle projectiles you can have both. Ammo selection matters, and matters a lot, but with the right projectile the AR (or another .223/5.56 is a very strong choice.

Respectfully, That's actually antiquated. For the past several years FBI SWAT has transitioned to the M4 for building entries. With standard 55gr the 5.56 has about the same 12-18" with IWBA 4 ply denim that handgun rounds do. As far as drywall again 55 gr has not much worse overpenitrate hazard than standard handgun rounds.

I can't send work stuff out but here is a similar public site with much the same material

About .223 Penetration

This. Once it starts to tumble/fragment, it's significantly less dangerous than most handgun bullets to someone outside.

 

[DeadeyeChrista'sdad]

So my choice of a .45 that points it's self backed up by 12 Guage slugs sucks?

Huh.

 

[Spear Dane]

Respectfully, That's actually antiquated. For the past several years FBI SWAT has transitioned to the M4 for building entries. With standard 55gr the 5.56 has about the same 12-18" with IWBA 4 ply denim that handgun rounds do. As far as drywall again 55 gr has not much worse overpenitrate hazard than standard handgun rounds.

I can't send work stuff out but here is a similar public site with much the same material

About .223 Penetration

Great information. Much to think about here. Could even be an excuse for another purchase!

 

[DoggyDaddy]

They belong in my home. As many as I can stuff in it.

My first thought when I saw the thread title was, "Ah, another thread about gun safe recommendations."

 

[SEIndSAM]

I strongly agree...AR15's have no place in your home, please send them to me and I will gladly dispose of them for you.....

Seriously, when I heard the young man used an AR to defend the home, I wondered how long it would take for the internet to start the anti-AR drumbeat...

 

[KellyinAvon]

Neither do masked/armed home invaders Grandpa! Junior was obviously on a real distinguished path here and it doesn't always lead to prison.

 

[bonkers1919]

Suicide by being stupid and you can't fix stupid.

 

[LarryC]

Personally I believe it was the perfect defense firearm in this case, The homeowner was a pretty good shot to get all three of the invaders and by killing them saved a lot of taxpayer money. What more could you ask for. In my opinion any scum that will do an armed invasion of a person's home should not be wasting good air.

 

[Excalibur]

In the immortal words of Sam Jackson [video]https://youtu.be/mCjBspxuUmU?t=5s[/video]

 

[IndyTom]

Just saw it on FB this morning. It was full of, 'They made mistakes and they knew they'd get punished, but they didn't deeeserve to die!' The usual.