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  1. #971
    Marksman

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    Look the NRA is controlled opposition, Lapierre is a big city democrat and is anti 2A, a butter, better than us and pro “reasonable restriction” he wastes YOUR (member) money on trips to Europe and $39,000 suits, HIS SALARY is bigger than the ILA’s entire BUDGET. They speak of being 5 million strong but don’t take “I want to get rid of my life membership” as an answer. Why do the Anti-gun Dems love playing the NRA as their foil? Because they’ve been around forever and they have hyped them up for a generation as the bad guy, they do it to pander for votes, while the NRA brass lap it up and spar with them on TV to drive membership, and once again YOUR money goes into Wayne’s pocket.

    ”We NEED to take back the NRA” good luck, the bylaws were rewrote to avoid another massacre after the NRA was taken over once before, look convienently published today ( https://www.google.com/amp/amp.washi...ad-total-dict/ ) a mainstream article saying that the POWER of the NRA is Wayne (and formerly) Cris Cox’s.

    go ahead, buy that life membership, let Wayne buy more suits, take another transferable machinegun out of plebeian hands, travel to Europe on your dime for the sale of having a fake Savior.

    personally I say, burn it to the ground

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    Quote Originally Posted by thompal View Post
    And just what "bang for the buck" have you gotten out of them in the past 30 years?
    It seems to be the convenient thing for NRA haters to focus on national activity and completely ignore what's happening at the state level. For starters, we've gone from three Constitutional Carry states to 16 (I believe) in the past 15 years. Every state in the country now has some form of carry permit program in place, including now Illinois and DC. Actually getting a license/permit issued is in some places is another story, but now a big majority of states have moved away from "may issue" to "shall issue" status.

    Many states now have preemption bans, preventing local governments from creating their own gun control laws.

    Heck here in IN just this past session the NRA was instrumental in helping to eliminate the fees associated with the LTCH application, allowing 5 year LTCH holders to bypass NICS checks, and strengthen civil immunity for defenders who use force against criminals.

    Look at the state of the US congress. Gun hating blue states make loosening federal gun laws extremely difficult, if not impossible. That's why the NRA is focusing on making an impact at the state level. That work should not be ignored.
    Well the sheriff couldn't catch me now, but his little girl? Sure wish she would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCgrease08 View Post
    It seems to be the convenient thing for NRA haters to focus on national activity and completely ignore what's happening at the state level. For starters, we've gone from three Constitutional Carry states to 16 (I believe) in the past 15 years. Every state in the country now has some form of carry permit program in place, including now Illinois and DC. Actually getting a license/permit issued is in some places is another story, but now a big majority of states have moved away from "may issue" to "shall issue" status.

    Many states now have preemption bans, preventing local governments from creating their own gun control laws.

    Heck here in IN just this past session the NRA was instrumental in helping to eliminate the fees associated with the LTCH application, allowing 5 year LTCH holders to bypass NICS checks, and strengthen civil immunity for defenders who use force against criminals.

    Look at the state of the US congress. Gun hating blue states make loosening federal gun laws extremely difficult, if not impossible. That's why the NRA is focusing on making an impact at the state level. That work should not be ignored.
    Heller and McDonald were the driving forces behind that. That was not the NRA.

    Just because a pro-gun bill passes somewhere, does not mean the NRA was instrumental in getting it passed.

    While they may do a lot of good, I don't think they do half as much as some give them credit for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KLB View Post
    Heller and McDonald were the driving forces behind that. That was not the NRA.

    Just because a pro-gun bill passes somewhere, does not mean the NRA was instrumental in getting it passed.

    While they may do a lot of good, I don't think they do half as much as some give them credit for.
    They would do good if Lapierre didn’t pay himself MORE than the ILA’s yearly budget. Can’t get rid of him either since they rewrote the bylaws that prevent his ouster in another member led massacre

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    It’s not an either or kinda thing. I like the NRA. I think they’ve done some good work. But Wayne is kinda out there right now. For the good of the NRA he needs to go. The NRA needs an intervention.
    -spreading the word to end the r-word is retarded
    -activism is retarded because, what if you’re full of ****?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vigilant View Post
    The sadder part is all the cry babies that decry the NRA for selling out gun owners have done NOTHING, I REPEAT, NOTHING, to further the 2nd Amendment. Mostly they ***** and moan about the NRA, and tout SAF, and GOA, who are....wait for it, NON ****ing Starters, and inconsequential to the ENEMY. I am a member of ALL 3 that I’ve mentioned, monetarily, the NRA has produced more “bang for the buck” than either of the others COMBINED. Until gun owners stop eating their own(it will never happen, but...wishful thinking), no organization is going to be perfect. WLP, needs to go, sooner than later, along with his cronies, but it hasn’t happened, YET.
    Wow, so much anger here. So angry that according to you, every single person who does not have your exact viewpoint does not support the 2nd amendment. I really hope that your self esteem is not attached to some organization. That will only lead to heartache.

    If you truly believe that SAF and GOA are non starters and so utterly inconsequential, then why would you bother wasting your time, effort and money being a member of those organizations as well? That seems utterly foolish based on your opinion in the post above. Shouldn't all that time, money and effort you give to these inconsequential organizations be redirected to the NRA for maximum effect considering they are the best "bang for the buck"?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamil View Post
    While Wayne is off trotting the globe on lavish spending sprees, other groups like SAF are chalking up some legitimate victories. I think the NRA is the premiere gun rights organization. They have the most money, clout, experience, connections. But they're pissing it away with this breach of trust. They're worth saving but perpetuating the NRA's corrupt status quo isn't going to save the NRA from itself and neither is blind support of it. And it's also not helping that without substantiation, you're questioning the loyalty of 2A supporters who choose a different way to deal with it. That's just not right.
    And there is the problem. Yes, the NRA has the most clout, experience and connections out there. But based on LaPierre's direction, it seems that the NRA is focused primarily on self preservation of the organization and its current leadership as evidenced by the fact that they were helping to give up 2nd amendment rights (most recently.....bump stocks and red flag laws) to the anti gunners to be left alone in their cronyism. And since the by laws were changed to prevent another member uprising demanding change, how else can change happen other than supporting one or many of the other 2nd amendment organizations instead of the NRA? Again, considering the bylaw changes, I have not seen any other viable options.

    Quote Originally Posted by Floivanus View Post
    personally I say, burn it to the ground
    Can't say I agree here. I hope / wish we can save the NRA. But IMHO this is a long shot. Looking at it pragmatically... and considering how the bylaws were re-written to prevent such a move... I think the captain (LaPierre) is planning on going down with what he believes is HIS ship.
    "May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one." - Mal

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    Quote Originally Posted by KLB View Post
    Heller and McDonald were the driving forces behind that. That was not the NRA.

    Just because a pro-gun bill passes somewhere, does not mean the NRA was instrumental in getting it passed.

    While they may do a lot of good, I don't think they do half as much as some give them credit for.
    It pains me to see the NRA dumpster fire at the top right now. I worked for gun rights gains in another state and we had an excellent NRA lobbyist who supported us and fought hard. I've seen some people who work at NRA and a few who are on the board that are passionate for the cause I absolutely admire as people. They are getting crapped on right now for their affiliation and dealing with a mess they shouldn't.

    That said, NRA does a lot at the state levels and deserves a piece of the pie for many of those bills. I couldn't tell you which NRA lobbyist covers Indiana, but I hope it's a good one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HKFaninCarmel View Post
    It pains me to see the NRA dumpster fire at the top right now. I worked for gun rights gains in another state and we had an excellent NRA lobbyist who supported us and fought hard. I've seen some people who work at NRA and a few who are on the board that are passionate for the cause I absolutely admire as people. They are getting crapped on right now for their affiliation and dealing with a mess they shouldn't.

    That said, NRA does a lot at the state levels and deserves a piece of the pie for many of those bills. I couldn't tell you which NRA lobbyist covers Indiana, but I hope it's a good one.
    I can, and they are.
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