Thinking about TX shooting, shotgun possible?

[throttletony]

I wonder how effective a shotgun would have been on the shooter in TX.
Stephen said he was about 20 yds away -- I think a few rounds of 00 buck would have certainly messed him up (legs, arms, lower torso, maybe head/neck), but would have lost the pinpoint accuracy.

I'd wager that the shooter wouldn't have made it into his vehicle to drive off... but may have hit Stephen (Good Samaritan) after being hit with buckshot.
Any thoughts from you guys/gals -- 20 yds out, buckshot while wearing a vest???

 

[drillsgt]

I wonder how effective a shotgun would have been on the shooter in TX.
Stephen said he was about 20 yds away -- I think a few rounds of 00 buck would have certainly messed him up (legs, arms, lower torso, maybe head/neck), but would have lost the pinpoint accuracy.

I'd wager that the shooter wouldn't have made it into his vehicle to drive off... but may have hit Stephen (Good Samaritan) after being hit with buckshot.
Any thoughts from you guys/gals -- 20 yds out, buckshot while wearing a vest???

I was wondering about the last part recently, was it ever confirmed that he really had a "vest" i.e plates or did people just run with that because he had a 'tactical' vest on and they don't know any better. You can buy vests or plate carriers at gun shops or surplus stores all day long but often times the actual plates can be pricey and this guy was an unemployed loser at the time.

 

[Goodcat]

I was wondering about the last part recently, was it ever confirmed that he really had a "vest" i.e plates or did people just run with that because he had a 'tactical' vest on and they don't know any better. You can buy vests or plate carriers at gun shops or surplus stores all day long but often times the actual plates can be pricey and this guy was an unemployed loser at the time.

I would venture to guess he did not have plates, so same as another big sweatshirt. This is an assumption. But if he did have plates, a shotgun at 20 yard could have done some work, but if most hit plates and no pellets went vitals above the vest, could have been a different outcome.

 

[throttletony]

Yeah, with the less-than-desired follow-up and details about the incident, I'm not sure if he had plates in his carrier or not.

 

[wakproductions]

If it was a shotgun slug that surely would be a painful hit, plates or not.

 

[throttletony]

If it was a shotgun slug that surely would be a painful hit, plates or not.

For sure. I wasn't even thinking of slugs... those would mangle up anyone on the receiving end for sure. My default thought for shotguns in buck shot

 

[redryder]

A 12 gauge loaded with #4 buck will put an AR to shame at close range!

 

[JAL]

If it was a shotgun slug that surely would be a painful hit, plates or not.

Several tests are readily found on YouTube with 12 gauge shootin 2.75" full load 1 oz slugs at 3A body armor. You most assuredly would not want to be on the receiving end. Depending on slug design and hardness, it may penetrate. #00 buckshot did not penetrate the body armor would cause traumatic internal injury, similar to being hit by a bat or club. A sabot slug could potentially cause even more damage with slightly higher likelihood of penetration.

Here's Paul Harrell's showing both #00 buckshot and slugs . . .

[video=youtube;4qSVOZfp3R4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qSVOZfp3R4[/video]

The total impact of #4 buckshot would be similar to #00 at 20 yards without much spread. For home defense #4 buckshot pretty much ends it with the first solid hit. If an assailant is wearing 3A, #4 buck outside vest coverage in lower body would end it as well with severe incapacitation.

John

 

[JAL]

Another one with Paul Harrell and two different types of body armor . . . one doesn't stop the slug, and while the other one does stop the slug, the blunt force trauma from it is devastating. He uses some handguns at the beginning and than cranks up the shotgun about halfway through.

[video=youtube;QjgGlolY-8s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjgGlolY-8s[/video]

One might argue his simulation of pectoral muscle, ribs and lungs isn't a close enough approximation of the human body, but to do a definitive test you would need cadavers, or something like a dead animal sufficiently close to human anatomy to approximate it. Suffice it that I wouldn't want to be hit by a full load 12 gauge slug with anything less than plates. The problem with a slug where there are bystanders is over penetration and hitting someone behind the intended target if they're not wearing any armor.

John