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  • Mgderf

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    When you pull the trigger, you, and you alone, are responsible for the entire flight of that projectile.
    In this case, it will be all but impossible to determine, unless slugs are retrieved, which particular officer was responsible, so ultimately the municipality will be "at fault".

    IANAL
     

    OurDee

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    First, buy a house on a hill. Second, when a perp parks in front of your house, leave/ vacate/ seek cover. Up north there were drive-bys on our street and we converted the basement into a master bedroom. Live in back rooms and place book cases in the front walls. Bricks on the front and sides help. The closets between my bed and the street are used for storage and are full.
     

    Ark

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    Police in this country have a problem with shooting at every twitch and a problem with being unable to stop shooting once they start. It's a consequence of the "do whatever you gotta do, take no chances, and don't worry we'll sort it out later" culture.

    Homeowners should have had the common sense to look at police with guns drawn, look at the suspect, and do the math on where bullets were about to go. But they apparently had time to stand and shoot pictures while the numerous police on the scene declined to make any effort at getting them out of danger. But they could spare three officers for blasting the guy.

    So bystanders were placed at extreme risk for the sake of a dude who, at this time, does not appear to have been armed. "In possession of a metal pipe" could mean anything. Barring release of dash or body camera footage I am not inclined to simply take the IMPD at their word. This looks shoddy as hell. The homeowners probably had an answering machine full of lawyers by lunch time.
     

    AJBB87

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    Police in this country have a problem with shooting at every twitch and a problem with being unable to stop shooting once they start. It's a consequence of the "do whatever you gotta do, take no chances, and don't worry we'll sort it out later" culture.

    Homeowners should have had the common sense to look at police with guns drawn, look at the suspect, and do the math on where bullets were about to go. But they apparently had time to stand and shoot pictures while the numerous police on the scene declined to make any effort at getting them out of danger. But they could spare three officers for blasting the guy.

    So bystanders were placed at extreme risk for the sake of a dude who, "at this time" [Hindsight is 20/20...ain't it grand!], does not appear to have been armed. ["Robbery" is defined as taking property by use or threat of force] "In possession of a metal pipe" could mean anything. Barring release of dash or body camera footage I am not inclined to simply take the IMPD at their word [but you're willing to take someone else's?]. This looks shoddy as hell. The homeowners probably had an answering machine full of lawyers by lunch time. [Uh huh...right...they're on the yellow brick road to the easy life...or was that the point?]

    The only part you left out of your ridiculous post is how our country's law enforcement, in this case IMPD, should have done it differently.

    I imagine, though you weren't there and have never worked in law enforcement, you have a perfect understanding of the incident, what went down, and how the three Officers, who went home that night, screwed up.

    To bad you weren't there...
     

    223 Gunner

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    First, buy a house on a hill. Second, when a perp parks in front of your house, leave/ vacate/ seek cover. Up north there were drive-bys on our street and we converted the basement into a master bedroom. Live in back rooms and place book cases in the front walls. Bricks on the front and sides help. The closets between my bed and the street are used for storage and are full.

    All valid points, but most people do not live like this, and do not want to live like this.
     

    phylodog

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    Police in this country have a problem with shooting at every twitch and a problem with being unable to stop shooting once they start. It's a consequence of the "do whatever you gotta do, take no chances, and don't worry we'll sort it out later" culture.

    Homeowners should have had the common sense to look at police with guns drawn, look at the suspect, and do the math on where bullets were about to go. But they apparently had time to stand and shoot pictures while the numerous police on the scene declined to make any effort at getting them out of danger. But they could spare three officers for blasting the guy.

    So bystanders were placed at extreme risk for the sake of a dude who, at this time, does not appear to have been armed. "In possession of a metal pipe" could mean anything. Barring release of dash or body camera footage I am not inclined to simply take the IMPD at their word. This looks shoddy as hell. The homeowners probably had an answering machine full of lawyers by lunch time.

    :):
     

    littletommy

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    Police in this country have a problem with shooting at every twitch and a problem with being unable to stop shooting once they start. It's a consequence of the "do whatever you gotta do, take no chances, and don't worry we'll sort it out later" culture.

    Homeowners should have had the common sense to look at police with guns drawn, look at the suspect, and do the math on where bullets were about to go. But they apparently had time to stand and shoot pictures while the numerous police on the scene declined to make any effort at getting them out of danger. But they could spare three officers for blasting the guy.

    So bystanders were placed at extreme risk for the sake of a dude who, at this time, does not appear to have been armed. "In possession of a metal pipe" could mean anything. Barring release of dash or body camera footage I am not inclined to simply take the IMPD at their word. This looks shoddy as hell. The homeowners probably had an answering machine full of lawyers by lunch time.
    This may be the most monday morning quarterbacked post of all the monday morning quarterbacking posts I’ve ever read on INGO! Congrats, Sir, very well done!:):
    :n00b:
     

    VUPDblue

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    Police in this country have a problem with shooting at every twitch and a problem with being unable to stop shooting once they start. It's a consequence of the "do whatever you gotta do, take no chances, and don't worry we'll sort it out later" culture.

    Homeowners should have had the common sense to look at police with guns drawn, look at the suspect, and do the math on where bullets were about to go. But they apparently had time to stand and shoot pictures while the numerous police on the scene declined to make any effort at getting them out of danger. But they could spare three officers for blasting the guy.

    So bystanders were placed at extreme risk for the sake of a dude who, at this time, does not appear to have been armed. "In possession of a metal pipe" could mean anything. Barring release of dash or body camera footage I am not inclined to simply take the IMPD at their word. This looks shoddy as hell. The homeowners probably had an answering machine full of lawyers by lunch time.


    Lolz. How’s it feel to be omniscient?
     

    Ark

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    This may be the most monday morning quarterbacked post of all the monday morning quarterbacking posts I’ve ever read on INGO! Congrats, Sir, very well done!:):
    :n00b:

    I mean they did violate an extremely basic rule of firearms safety and endanger bystander's lives for the sake of firing squad-ing a person who wasn't even armed with a knife or a firearm. Pretty easy to see they were in the wrong.
     

    phylodog

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    I mean they did violate an extremely basic rule of firearms safety and endanger bystander's lives for the sake of firing squad-ing a person who wasn't even armed with a knife or a firearm. Pretty easy to see they were in the wrong.

    Please share how you would have handled the situation differently. There’s a good chance that once you’ve demonstrated your expertise in this area you will be contacted for a new career saving the country from rogue cops.
     
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