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  • henry0reilly

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    A woman tweeting as Storm Durham say she was terminated from her job as a social worker simply for having a carry permit. She was escorted from the building by three police officers because she was considered "a safety risk to the building". There was no allegation that she was carrying to work or on the job.

    If true, this is clearly a case of unlawful discrimination. A lawsuit will follow for sure, however, Virginia is a right-to-work state, which may be problematic for her case.
     

    MCgrease08

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    I'm going to wait for some actual facts, real names, and a real story before I get upset. This smells fishy.

    Me too. I was following her thread on Twitter last night. I took it at face value, but a few well-respected pro gun rights journalists were posting, asking for her to contact them.

    I'll wait until I see a sourced report from one of them before I accept her claims as fact.
     

    SnoopLoggyDog

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    Her side of the story. https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018...ed-from-city-job-over-concealed-carry-permit/

    More information here: https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattv...cause-she-had-a-concealed-carry-perm-n2459492

    From the comments on her facebook page.

    Ben S Jackson Stop making yourself a martyr. Plenty of DSS workers have concealed carry permits. This isn't about this. You put other workers safety in jeopardy when your homeboy brought a gun to threaten another worker and you didn't report it. You were unteachable and completely unable to take constructive criticism. You bring unnecessary drama into an already stressful job. No adult should throw screaming and crying fits and expect to remain in the career field of child welfare. Good luck on your new endeavors and good riddance.
     

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    Her side of the story. https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018...ed-from-city-job-over-concealed-carry-permit/

    More information here: https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattv...cause-she-had-a-concealed-carry-perm-n2459492

    From the comments on her facebook page.

    Ben S Jackson Stop making yourself a martyr. Plenty of DSS workers have concealed carry permits. This isn't about this. You put other workers safety in jeopardy when your homeboy brought a gun to threaten another worker and you didn't report it. You were unteachable and completely unable to take constructive criticism. You bring unnecessary drama into an already stressful job. No adult should throw screaming and crying fits and expect to remain in the career field of child welfare. Good luck on your new endeavors and good riddance.
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    I looked at her Facebook page, and it seems she is enjoying this newfound celebrity. Doesn't seem she's taking the issue as seriously as one would think.
     

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    A woman tweeting as Storm Durham say she was terminated from her job as a social worker simply for having a carry permit. She was escorted from the building by three police officers because she was considered "a safety risk to the building". There was no allegation that she was carrying to work or on the job.

    If true, this is clearly a case of unlawful discrimination. A lawsuit will follow for sure, however, Virginia is a right-to-work state, which may be problematic for her case.


    While Virginia may be a right-to-work state, this does not negate that fact that there are many Federal protections for employees, such as the Civil Rights Act, Title VII of the CRA, the ADA, and the CRA of 1991 to name just a few.

    I had to attend a legal seminar some years ago for a human resources class put on by a group of lawyers specializing in employment law. One did a presentation on firing employees and basically said that in many cases the RTW law doesn't matter to judges, juries, or oversight groups (ex. NLRB, EEOC, etc) like to see everyone get a "three strikes" policy.

    This isn't always the case, as some judges will just follow the law. But from his perspective many folks chafe at the notion that an employee shows up for work, has a good employment history, and is fired for no real reason. Thus, his presentation on how to fire someone without being sued and most importantly, to fire someone for a really good reason along with documenting a history of issues to back it up.

    I fully acknowledge that many people ARE fired for no good reason and many employers get away with it. This may often be due to employees not knowing their rights, their other legal protections, and many employers simply not being challenged.

    There is probably more to this story than is being said, but for now it is something to keep an eye on for further details.

    Regards,

    Doug
     

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    I looked at her Facebook page, and it seems she is enjoying this newfound celebrity. Doesn't seem she's taking the issue as seriously as one would think.

    Wife and I came to the same conclusion. There has to be more to this story than what she has posted.
     

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    While Virginia may be a right-to-work state, this does not negate that fact that there are many Federal protections for employees, such as the Civil Rights Act, Title VII of the CRA, the ADA, and the CRA of 1991 to name just a few.

    I had to attend a legal seminar some years ago for a human resources class put on by a group of lawyers specializing in employment law. One did a presentation on firing employees and basically said that in many cases the RTW law doesn't matter to judges, juries, or oversight groups (ex. NLRB, EEOC, etc) like to see everyone get a "three strikes" policy.

    This isn't always the case, as some judges will just follow the law. But from his perspective many folks chafe at the notion that an employee shows up for work, has a good employment history, and is fired for no real reason. Thus, his presentation on how to fire someone without being sued and most importantly, to fire someone for a really good reason along with documenting a history of issues to back it up.

    I fully acknowledge that many people ARE fired for no good reason and many employers get away with it. This may often be due to employees not knowing their rights, their other legal protections, and many employers simply not being challenged.

    There is probably more to this story than is being said, but for now it is something to keep an eye on for further details.

    Regards,

    Doug

    Right to work just means no closed shops, you can work covered by a union contract without having to join the union. Employment at will I believe is the doctrine you are thinking of. If a member and covered by a union contract with a specified disciplinary and firing process that will usually supersede EAW
     

    Libertarian01

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    Right to work just means no closed shops, you can work covered by a union contract without having to join the union. Employment at will I believe is the doctrine you are thinking of. If a member and covered by a union contract with a specified disciplinary and firing process that will usually supersede EAW


    You are correct. I used his phrasing. My bad.

    Thanks for the correction.

    Doug
     

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    This person seems like one of those people you probably shouldn't take at their word. I'm willing to bet she was fired for a host of other reasons.

    There might be a wrongful termination suit in the works if they specifically said, in writing, that she was being fired for having a permit and nothing else. I don't think that's the case. I suspect she is a dramarama dumpster fire. Or, it was all made up. Either way, a one-sided social media rant means nothing.
     

    Kutnupe14

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    This person seems like one of those people you probably shouldn't take at their word. I'm willing to bet she was fired for a host of other reasons.

    There might be a wrongful termination suit in the works if they specifically said, in writing, that she was being fired for having a permit and nothing else. I don't think that's the case. I suspect she is a dramarama dumpster fire. Or, it was all made up. Either way, a one-sided social media rant means nothing.

    Actually it may mean a lot..... to the next potential employer.
     
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