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    Yeah.... They wouldn't dare.



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    So if I understand correctly, its not a SBR unless it has a rifle stock. If i use a "brace" its really an AR pistol, regardless of barrel lenghth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KJQ6945 View Post
    I'll take that bet. Pistol braces will be gone before they come after registered NFA items.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hkindiana View Post
    You can legally put it on a VIRGIN lower IF you build it as a pistol. You can put it on an 80% lower, again, IF you build it as a pistol.
    If you're building it as a pistol, can't you put it on any lower you want, and then put a rifle upper on it, and switch at will because no paperwork, serial number recording, or anything has been done since its a pistol not SBR? 80% or not is irrelevant I believe.

    Edit to clarify that I hadn't thought about the 4473 designating rifle or pistol at point of sale, so there seems to be something about that to keep one from switching on a boughten lower. But not 80% I would still contend.

    https://www.itstactical.com/warcom/f...tol-heres-411/
    Decent article but two years old so they don't have the "oh I changed my mind again for the second (or is it the third) time" ruling for shouldering updated, but do go into a lot of detail.
    Last edited by ditcherman; 4 Weeks Ago at 11:45.

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    Plinker

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    This should help

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    If you buy a stripped lower receiver it's transferred as "other" on the 4473 and you can configure it any way you want. Pistol to rifle and back, or rifle to pistol and back.

    If you start with a fully built pistol lower (regardless of whether it has an upper or not) it's transferred as a "pistol" and you can go from pistol to rifle and back.

    If you start with an assembled rifle lower or full factory rifle then it's transferred as a "rifle" and you cannot legally take the stock off and turn it into a pistol. Are you likely to get locked up for doing so? Probably not, but by the letter of the law it's illegal.

    That's why most people start with a pistol configuration if they are planning to get the stamp for an SBR. You can use it as a pistol while waiting for the stamp and just swap out the buffer tube and and add a stock after it's approved.

    You cannot slap a sub 16" barrel upper on a rifle stock until you get the tax stamp.
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    Just bought one of their kits a few weeks back, 300AAC, needed the handguard trimmed .460 to put on a suppressor, put a different buffer tube on it, to get OAL over 26

    runs subs and supers, suppressed and unsuppressed. Decent quality kits, second one I built, they WILL charge shipping tho

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    Plinker IronsKeeper's Avatar

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCgrease08 View Post
    If you buy a stripped lower receiver it's transferred as "other" on the 4473 and you can configure it any way you want. Pistol to rifle and back, or rifle to pistol and back.
    Not quite. You must always start as a pistol to be able to "temporarily" change it into a rifle.

    If the first thing you build with a virgin receiver is a rifle, it is to ALWAYS remain a rifle.

    The parts I didn't quote are good though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IronsKeeper View Post
    Not quite. You must always start as a pistol to be able to "temporarily" change it into a rifle.

    If the first thing you build with a virgin receiver is a rifle, it is to ALWAYS remain a rifle.

    The parts I didn't quote are good though.

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    But the point is, there would be no way to know how the receiver started it's life. Tracing it back to the form 4473 would show it was transferred as "other." There's no way to prove the original configuration one way or another.
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    Plinker IronsKeeper's Avatar

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCgrease08 View Post
    But the point is, there would be no way to know how the receiver started it's life. Tracing it back to the form 4473 would show it was transferred as "other." There's no way to prove the original configuration one way or another.
    I understand that. All of my ARs are pistols, some are just currently in a rifle configuration temporarily.

    But I don't want to gloss over details where a gun owner would do and then admit to doing something against the (law? Regulation? Same bad end result) and not even know it.

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