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    Quote Originally Posted by Usmccookie View Post
    To me this article screamed "red flag laws could've saved lives" agenda...
    "I think this person is too immature to have guns" is not a reason to take a person's guns away. Do something that makes that fear evident, and then let's talk. Otherwise it's just a way to disarm people. From the article, the cops said no, there weren't any red flags about this guy. A doting mom who is afraid of her baby shooting his eye out is not a red flag.

    The Dayton guy may be different though. Still, red flag law is a kind of law that's like the "porn" ruling. You don't really know how to describe it in words such that your definition always works consistently, but you know it when you see it. And like I said before, ain't no way that the most anti-gun zealot regions of the country wouldn't use that as a defacto gun ban, one person at a time.
    -spreading the word to end the r-word is retarded
    -activism is retarded because, what if you’re full of ****?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamil View Post
    "I think this person is too immature to have guns" is not a reason to take a person's guns away. Do something that makes that fear evident, and then let's talk. Otherwise it's just a way to disarm people. From the article, the cops said no, there weren't any red flags about this guy. A doting mom who is afraid of her baby shooting his eye out is not a red flag.

    The Dayton guy may be different though. Still, red flag law is a kind of law that's like the "porn" ruling. You don't really know how to describe it in words such that your definition always works consistently, but you know it when you see it. And like I said before, ain't no way that the most anti-gun zealot regions of the country wouldn't use that as a defacto gun ban, one person at a time.
    But what about an anti-gun Santa??


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    Quote Originally Posted by DoggyDaddy View Post
    But what about an anti-gun Santa??

    Everyone knows Santa has final say...Everyone!
    "Courage is Being Scared to Death, but Saddling up Anyway" - John Wayne

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    Quote Originally Posted by red_zr24x4 View Post
    Everyone knows Santa has final say...Everyone!

    Oh Ya....
    Fat geezer with a hit list.

    Nobody ****s with Santa.
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    "Don't be afraid of the enemy! Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes!" - Jerusalem 445 BC
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    "If you don't have a gun, sell your coat and buy one." - Jerusalem April 14th, 30 AD - Thursday, 11:38pm IST
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    INGO SUCKS.....

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    Thor himself has spoken, mere mortals must make it so. - bradmedic04

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    A sharp knife is a happy knife.

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    I've not read the entire thread, but I did read the murderer's father is a mental health counselor....

    So you have a family member that is a professional in the area of mental health and he apparently sees nothing of concern in his son?

    At the same time, the murderer in Dayton looks to be another nut job that gave off plenty of warning signs... and not a peep from anybody.

    Fear not, citizen. Abridging your rights that are supposed to be protected under the 2nd and 4th will take care of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRed View Post
    I've not read the entire thread, but I did read the murderer's father is a mental health counselor....

    So you have a family member that is a professional in the area of mental health and he apparently sees nothing of concern in his son?

    At the same time, the murderer in Dayton looks to be another nut job that gave off plenty of warning signs... and not a peep from anybody.

    Fear not, citizen. Abridging your rights that are supposed to be protected under the 2nd and 4th will take care of it.
    Fair point on the Dayton shooter. Plenty of red flags. But the El Paso shooter was different. First, it's not clear what kind of relationship he had with his parents. It is clear that he was radicalized. If he didn't talk to his parents much about any of that stuff, I don't know what red flags anyone should detect.
    -spreading the word to end the r-word is retarded
    -activism is retarded because, what if you’re full of ****?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRed View Post
    I've not read the entire thread, but I did read the murderer's father is a mental health counselor....
    It seems to me on the rare interactions I have had with "counselors" that often times their prior (current) lives are typically filled with poor decisions and unnecessary drama. i.e. a marriage counselor on his third wife giving advice to others. Thus my concern with them potentially being arbitrators of Red Flag laws.
    When seconds matter the 2nd Amendment matters.

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    Thank you Donald Trump for just proving to us all how red flag laws will be miss used.


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    IF they concealed their contempt as well as they concealed their handgun, it would be a much more meaningful conversation.
    For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

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