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    OK INGO peeps, here's a draft to fire off to our elected officials to remind them we are paying attention. I'll bump in the AM since I realize its nearly 0100 in the AM.


    Senator/Representative,
    I am writing to urge your support in keeping pistol stabilizing braces legal. The fact that this accessory exists is a direct reaction to the National Firearms Act of 1934 and the subsequent bureaucracy created by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE).
    While this is an accessory to a firearm, the words “in common use at the time for lawful purposes” are definitely applicable. They were in the DC v Heller decision (2008), citing US v Miller (1938) concerning rights affirmed by the 2nd Amendment.
    Legislation passed under emotional situations is rarely logical and tends to only impact the law-abiding. The National Firearms Act (NFA) of 1934 is a prime example of such legislation. The $200 Tax Stamp required to take possession of firearms and accessories considered NFA-items was put in place to effectively double the price of a Thompson submachine gun. In 1934 very few law-abiding citizens could afford a Thompson, which was so connected to prohibition-era criminals. The Police, the Military, and criminals had Thompson submachine guns.
    The Thompson was designed out of a necessity from trench warfare in World War I. However this gun was so expensive due to its machining and wood components, the M3 submachine gun (known as the Grease gun because of its appearance) was introduced during World War II. At that time the Thompson cost $250, the M3 (which was made from stamped metal by an automobile headlight manufacturer) cost $15. Who was (and is) affected by an additional $200? It is not the criminal who acquires weapons by illegal means. The Military and Law Enforcement pass the cost along to law-abiding tax payers. In comparison of today’s standards, the Ford Model A from 1928 has been obsolete for decades. The Thompson submachine gun from 1928 is still an outstanding firearm. With a 10.5-inch barrel, the Thompson is (according to the NFA of 1934) a short-barreled rifle. Even a semi-automatic version of the Thompson requires a $200 tax-stamp, and a lengthy wait for the bureaucratic wheels to turn in order to take possession of this NFA-item.
    The notorious criminals Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow’s reign of terror ended on May 23, 1934. The NFA of 1934 was introduced five days later, and signed into law June 26, 1934. There were 10 firearms in the car with Bonnie and Clyde on the morning of May 23, 1934, five of the weapons possessed by this duo would be NFA-items today. It is doubtful any of them were acquired legally, the three Browning Automatic Rifles (BARs) were stolen from National Guard Armories.
    The wait to take possession of another firearms accessory known as a suppressor (which decreases the decibel-level of a firearm to that of a jack-hammer) is now nearly a year. The bureaucracy driven by the NFA of 1934 has created an unnecessary delay and a large market for the accessory commonly called a stabilizing brace. According to the regulations promulgated by the BATFE, a firearm with a barrel less than 16 inches in length with no stock is in fact a handgun. If obtaining a short-barreled semi-automatic rifle could be accomplished without an additional $200 cost and a lengthy wait, there would be no pistol stabilizing brace. This is because there would be no market for such an accessory if there was no NFA of 1934 creating a bureaucratic delay to take possession of a short-barreled rifle.
    One incredibly violent act in Dayton, Ohio in the early morning of August 6, 2019 took the lives of nine individuals. This is why there is a movement to ban stabilizing pistol braces. The murderer in Dayton, Ohio was suspended from high school because he had “kill” and “rape” lists. This individual also considered someone who attempted to fire-bomb an ICE facility in Tacoma, Washington a martyr.
    Make no mistake, a ban on stabilizing pistol braces will not make anyone safer, nor will it will stop the onslaught of infringement on essential rights including that of self-defense. The bureaucracy driven by the NFA of 1934 has created our current reality. The answer to bad government is not more government.
    Thank you,

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    INGOer #25,448

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    Kelly thats good. Copy/past in my documents. Printer needs ink. When I get some I will start snail mail bombing the elected idiots with this.
    Even money says they all see file #13 and are never read in total.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyinAvon View Post
    OK INGO peeps, here's a draft to fire off to our elected officials to remind them we are paying attention. I'll bump in the AM since I realize its nearly 0100 in the AM.


    Senator/Representative,
    I am writing to urge your support in keeping pistol stabilizing braces legal. The fact that this accessory exists is a direct reaction to the National Firearms Act of 1934 and the subsequent bureaucracy created by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE).
    While this is an accessory to a firearm, the words “in common use at the time for lawful purposes” are definitely applicable. They were in the DC v Heller decision (2008), citing US v Miller (1938) concerning rights affirmed by the 2nd Amendment.
    Legislation passed under emotional situations is rarely logical and tends to only impact the law-abiding. The National Firearms Act (NFA) of 1934 is a prime example of such legislation. The $200 Tax Stamp required to take possession of firearms and accessories considered NFA-items was put in place to effectively double the price of a Thompson submachine gun. In 1934 very few law-abiding citizens could afford a Thompson, which was so connected to prohibition-era criminals. The Police, the Military, and criminals had Thompson submachine guns.
    The Thompson was designed out of a necessity from trench warfare in World War I. However this gun was so expensive due to its machining and wood components, the M3 submachine gun (known as the Grease gun because of its appearance) was introduced during World War II. At that time the Thompson cost $250, the M3 (which was made from stamped metal by an automobile headlight manufacturer) cost $15. Who was (and is) affected by an additional $200? It is not the criminal who acquires weapons by illegal means. The Military and Law Enforcement pass the cost along to law-abiding tax payers. In comparison of today’s standards, the Ford Model A from 1928 has been obsolete for decades. The Thompson submachine gun from 1928 is still an outstanding firearm. With a 10.5-inch barrel, the Thompson is (according to the NFA of 1934) a short-barreled rifle. Even a semi-automatic version of the Thompson requires a $200 tax-stamp, and a lengthy wait for the bureaucratic wheels to turn in order to take possession of this NFA-item.
    The notorious criminals Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow’s reign of terror ended on May 23, 1934. The NFA of 1934 was introduced five days later, and signed into law June 26, 1934. There were 10 firearms in the car with Bonnie and Clyde on the morning of May 23, 1934, five of the weapons possessed by this duo would be NFA-items today. It is doubtful any of them were acquired legally, the three Browning Automatic Rifles (BARs) were stolen from National Guard Armories.
    The wait to take possession of another firearms accessory known as a suppressor (which decreases the decibel-level of a firearm to that of a jack-hammer) is now nearly a year. The bureaucracy driven by the NFA of 1934 has created an unnecessary delay and a large market for the accessory commonly called a stabilizing brace. According to the regulations promulgated by the BATFE, a firearm with a barrel less than 16 inches in length with no stock is in fact a handgun. If obtaining a short-barreled semi-automatic rifle could be accomplished without an additional $200 cost and a lengthy wait, there would be no pistol stabilizing brace. This is because there would be no market for such an accessory if there was no NFA of 1934 creating a bureaucratic delay to take possession of a short-barreled rifle.
    One incredibly violent act in Dayton, Ohio in the early morning of August 6, 2019 took the lives of nine individuals. This is why there is a movement to ban stabilizing pistol braces. The murderer in Dayton, Ohio was suspended from high school because he had “kill” and “rape” lists. This individual also considered someone who attempted to fire-bomb an ICE facility in Tacoma, Washington a martyr.
    Make no mistake, a ban on stabilizing pistol braces will not make anyone safer, nor will it will stop the onslaught of infringement on essential rights including that of self-defense. The bureaucracy driven by the NFA of 1934 has created our current reality. The answer to bad government is not more government.
    Thank you,

    Name
    Address
    Phone
    e-mail
    Thanks. I just got 3 of these sent off.

    Sent to:
    Representative Pence
    Senator Braun
    Senator Young
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    Quote Originally Posted by churchmouse View Post
    Kelly thats good. Copy/past in my documents. Printer needs ink. When I get some I will start snail mail bombing the elected idiots with this.
    Even money says they all see file #13 and are never read in total.
    You're out of ink too? Seems to be going around. Man, I was up past bedtime on this one. I failed my "keep it all on one page" rule but I had a hard time with this one. When in doubt, add more words
    INGOer #25,448

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyinAvon View Post
    You're out of ink too? Seems to be going around. Man, I was up past bedtime on this one. I failed my "keep it all on one page" rule but I had a hard time with this one. When in doubt, add more words
    Yeah it ran into 2 pages.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyinAvon View Post
    You're out of ink too? Seems to be going around. Man, I was up past bedtime on this one. I failed my "keep it all on one page" rule but I had a hard time with this one. When in doubt, add more words
    Maybe it's a sign you wait on sending any of these letters


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