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  1. #61
    Plinker Big Flounder's Avatar

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    The only thing that has changed with my EDC recently is that I've committed to carrying more often and taking training classes.
    "I am glad I will not be young in a future without wilderness." -Aldo Leopold

  2. #62
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    no change really. just a single stack 9mm. i dont think you could prepare for all the bad things out ther.

  3. #63
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkC View Post
    Seems like you're still considering Rule #1 of gun fighting-bring a gun.

    Good luck with the interview, this has been a long road for you, and you're do a break!
    Indeed! Reduced gear by my standards is still probably more than most others EDC! I may stash some loaded mags in the vehicle to bolster my emotional comfort when I am carrying only one spare mag on my person.

    The thing I miss the most in business attire is being able to easily carry and IBD, gauze, and a TQ as I normally do in my pockets. I just realized while typing this that I could carry a brief case. Duh.

    Thank you for the good luck! It went very well and I am cautiously optimistic.



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    Sending some positive Marianne W energy your way for good luck Rhino...
    And thank you as well, sir!



    Quote Originally Posted by BehindBlueI's View Post
    In the context of handgun bullet diameters, no, they don't. The body isn't a bucket of water. It's more of a hydraulic system with limited self-sealing capability wrapped in sponge. If sponge is damaged, not much leaking. If a low pressure line is ruptured, some leaking until it's sealed off or loses all it's fluid. High pressure line ruptured, lots of leaking and harder to self-seal via swelling and redirection of blood flow.
    Unless you go up to a 4 bore. Or the 30mm cannon on an A10. Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrtttttttt!



    Quote Originally Posted by Big Flounder View Post
    The only thing that has changed with my EDC recently is that I've committed to carrying more often and taking training classes.
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  4. #64
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhino View Post
    ... I just realized while typing this that I could carry a brief case. Duh...
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    Done, done, and I’m on to the next one...
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  5. #65
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    Quote Originally Posted by IronsKeeper View Post
    https://www.policeone.com/police-her...mo-on-the-job/

    One would think, and yet.

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    I am not meaning to turn this thread into a 9MM/45 Debate but per the thread title my answer is the same. I still carry a 45, 44 or .41. I knew that I would get all the reasons why I am a dinosaur. That's okay but I feel I should explain my actions. I have never shot a human. I have not even done it on TV. I do carry for defense. My total experience with ballistic results have been growing up on the farm and the taking of game with handguns here in North America. From putting down large farm animals, coyote, rabid dogs, varmits, along with deer, turkey and wild boar and small game the large caliber handgun has been my go to tool. Sure I have used many rifles as well but this is an EDC thread. So turning to EDC I use the same handguns as I never bought into the NATO kindler and gentler cartridge idea. I know the many benefits that was sold to the masses back in the day. Many of them are valid. Most sound like excuses to me. Perhaps if the round was more American it might help. However the German invented round is anemic to me for my purposes. I never wanted something almost dead or a little dead or dead 17 times with high capacity. Never when I have wanted to kill something have I wanted to do it by increasing the hangtime to lethality by using sub caliber unless it was on game that I did not want to ruin the meat. Now I know many younger gun owners think that the 9mm is the standard. For them it may be. I never drank the Koolaid in spite of all the scientists, gel blocks, bullet manufacturers, armchair gunwriters or police blotter information. I may be wrong but I will stay with has worked for me since 1967. I know the 9mm is a muti billion dollar segment of today's gun owner and for me it has it's place in the shooting sports and BUG applications but that's all I will give to the German round. If God forbid I am to be taken out because of ballistic failure because I only had 8 rounds of 45 or 6 rounds of 44 or 41 then I plan on taking a few with me. In todays world of high capacity war zones on our streets we would have to be armed far more than anything you can carry on your belt anyway. IMHO mastering your equipment for bullet placement is far more important than high capacity misses. Taking paronoid classes about how to shoot weak handed while you are on a pay toilet at the airport before you have perfected your shot placements under stress is like staying home tomorrow cause it might rain. Find what works for you and master it...sooner than later.

    They can put Steel American Equipment and big XSS holes on my stone but that fits me just fine...

    Good luck to all Indiana Gun owners!!
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  6. #66
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    Was that bullet a LRN or FMJ?
    FMJ. Don't see much LRN .45 in the wild.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trapper Jim View Post
    I respect your knowledge and opinion. However, These forensics may be right and terminal results correct but for me as long as I can handle the larger calibers accurately I will be at peace with myself using sub calibers for the games and BUG.

    Dying Breed.
    There's nothing wrong with the cartridges you listed and I'm not trying to sway you from them. Just correcting the rather common misconception that bigger hole = more bleed out. I have to admit I was resistant to the notion the first time I read it in a terminal ballistics book, but eventually I had to admit my old biases weren't holding up to real world observations, what ER docs were telling me, etc. I'm fine carrying any of the common "duty" calibers, including the common duty revolver rounds, ASSUMING quality bullet construction. 9mm HST or .45 Colt silver tip, it's still about getting the bullet into something that matters and disrupting that something, and they can both do it if you do your part.

    FWIW, I have a few boxes of quality carry ammunition for .45 Colt and .44 Magnum as I don't believe in having a firearm I can't press into defensive service if required. If I owned a .41 mag, I'm sure I'd be sourcing a few boxes of Silver tips as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by IronsKeeper View Post
    https://www.policeone.com/police-her...mo-on-the-job/

    One would think, and yet.

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    The real lesson to that story, which reinforces what I said above about "9mm HST or .45 Colt silver tip, it's still about getting the bullet into something that matters and disrupting that something, and they can both do it if you do your part.":
    ‘Hey, I need to slow down and aim better.’ ”

    and also a rebuttal of:

    Quote Originally Posted by Trapper Jim View Post
    However the German invented round is anemic to me for my purposes. I never wanted something almost dead or a little dead or dead 17 times with high capacity.


    There's nothing "anemic" about a proper 9mm round. We're not talking about bulk 115 gr that sheds it's jacket and starts fragmenting as first contact, but something like a 147gr HST? A heavier 9mm that retains it's mass? It'll do what needs to be done. Break bone, keep trucking through a forearm, punch through a windshield, etc. Bullet construction matters more than caliber at this stage in the game.

    This conversation does remind me of two guys going back and forth at the Coroner's office during an autopsy, though. They were cutting up a fellow who'd sustained quite a bit of damage. Split sternum, severed spine, fractured skull, etc.
    Assistant: Don't get much deader than this.
    Coroner: They are all the exact same amount of dead.
    Last edited by BehindBlueI's; 09-12-2019 at 22:32.
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    Grandmaster BehindBlueI's's Avatar

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhino View Post
    Unless you go up to a 4 bore. Or the 30mm cannon on an A10. Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrtttttttt!
    I think you'll find I anticipated your shenanigans with the qualifier: In the context of handgun bullet diameters, no, they don't.


    A severed brachial artery can't get more severed, but a missing arm results in many more damaged blood vessels....
    L'otters are not afraid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BehindBlueI's View Post
    FMJ. Don't see much LRN .45 in the wild.



    There's nothing wrong with the cartridges you listed and I'm not trying to sway you from them. Just correcting the rather common misconception that bigger hole = more bleed out. I have to admit I was resistant to the notion the first time I read it in a terminal ballistics book, but eventually I had to admit my old biases weren't holding up to real world observations, what ER docs were telling me, etc. I'm fine carrying any of the common "duty" calibers, including the common duty revolver rounds, ASSUMING quality bullet construction. 9mm HST or .45 Colt silver tip, it's still about getting the bullet into something that matters and disrupting that something, and they can both do it if you do your part.

    FWIW, I have a few boxes of quality carry ammunition for .45 Colt and .44 Magnum as I don't believe in having a firearm I can't press into defensive service if required. If I owned a .41 mag, I'm sure I'd be sourcing a few boxes of Silver tips as well.



    The real lesson to that story, which reinforces what I said above about "9mm HST or .45 Colt silver tip, it's still about getting the bullet into something that matters and disrupting that something, and they can both do it if you do your part.":
    ‘Hey, I need to slow down and aim better.’ ”

    and also a rebuttal of:



    There's nothing "anemic" about a proper 9mm round. We're not talking about bulk 115 gr that sheds it's jacket and starts fragmenting as first contact, but something like a 147gr HST? A heavier 9mm that retains it's mass? It'll do what needs to be done. Break bone, keep trucking through a forearm, punch through a windshield, etc. Bullet construction matters more than caliber at this stage in the game.

    This conversation does remind me of two guys going back and forth at the Coroner's office during an autopsy, though. They were cutting up a fellow who'd sustained quite a bit of damage. Split sternum, severed spine, fractured skull, etc.
    Assistant: Don't get much deader than this.
    Coroner: They are all the exact same amount of dead.

    Very well said. Thank you. I do love the .41 Mag.
    "See you on the Range"

  9. #69
    Plinker IronsKeeper's Avatar

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trapper Jim View Post
    Very well said. Thank you. I do love the .41 Mag.
    Jim- I wasn't implying you are a dinosaur earlier, either. I'll out and say it!
    (I'm joking, at least regarding calibers)

    There's nothing wrong with the calibers you've chosen. If I can swing it, a .41 Henry and revolver combo sounds pretty nice. Been on my list for probably 5 years.

    Shot placement is the key. And even if I can make more holes, or place them better (probably not, you've got more time shooting than I've on this Earth), shot placement, from a properly controlled firearm, is the key.

    As I tell my friends when I have a good day during our friendly competitions- I still wouldn't volunteer stand in front of you and hold the target!

    (Plus, I don't recommend everything in that article- twin 33rd backup mags seems the slightest bit over the top)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BehindBlueI's View Post
    I think you'll find I anticipated your shenanigans with the qualifier: In the context of handgun bullet diameters, no, they don't.

    A severed brachial artery can't get more severed, but a missing arm results in many more damaged blood vessels....

    Acknowledged. But you've forced me to build the first 4 bore handgun on a TC Encore frame.




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