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    Expert gglass's Avatar

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    I Have Been Truly Humbled

    Let me start by saying that I am just about to turn 56, and have been shooting firearms since I was 7. In all that time, and with so many years of experience I have often counted myself as a pretty good shooter... Not the best, but good enough that even other shooters have patted me on the back at various times and at many ranges. I have even posted some of my better groups on this and other forums to show off at times, but those days are now gone for good. Why? Because I just discovered how absolutely mediocre I really am at practical (real life) shooting. you know, the kind of shooting that involves rapid fire while moving.

    You see, I have never been a run & gun type shooter at any point of my life. If I had a shooting type or style it would have to be "bulls-eye" shooting. The kind of shooting that involves only a slow pace of fire at a known distance from the target. I have posted online many 10-yard, 15-yard and 25-yard groups to prove my keen eye and shooting prowess, at least on that given day. I have even posted a video showing my ability to shoot a .22 GSG-1911 at 100 yards and keep all the shots on a torso target. But, even with those skills under my belt, I was completely unprepared for a day of professional training with a SWAT team leader from a Northern Indiana city. This 9-hour training covered various shooting skills and tactics that ranged from a couple of standing drills, where I did quite well, to many types of drills that added speed, movement and multiple activities into the string of fire, where I did from average to poorly... I actually felt like I was new to shooting. I knew that adding speed and movement would show my weaknesses, but damn! This was very hard!

    All I can say at this point is that most of my training for shooting has to be relearned. I have lost confidence that my bulls-eye style skill will count for much in a real-life self defense emergency. I will not be shooting from a known distance at a static target utilizing my tried and true shooting stance... Everything I thought I knew, just went out the window, and it makes me sad that it took nearly 50 years of shooting to figure it out.

    Previous examples of what I once thought made a decent marksman...

    14-Yards, but now worthless:



    15-Yards, but now worthless:


    10-Yards, but now worthless:


    I have been truly humbled, but now realize that I must change my shooting skills training if I really want to be able to hold my own if I am in a S###-Storm situation.
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    Plinker

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    Cool. It's good to learn new stuff.

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    Grandmaster

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    "A man's got to know his limitations..."
    Dormant U.S.Marine/ NRA Benefactor-Life

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    Expert flatlander's Avatar

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    No big deal. You have the basics. I started taking classes with Coach at 58 after shooting for 50 yrs. Good place to face my aging body and push it to get better.

    Bob

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    Like what was said "you have the basics." You are in a much better place than I am. I'll be 60 this year, not a shooter all my life and I have had to accept that I am nowhere near ready for anything with speed. If I go slow, I can hit a target okay, minute of man and all that. But as soon as I try to speed up, I start missing.

    We have a plate rack at my club. Now, I would think shooting an 8" plate from 10 yards quickly would be easy and I'm sure it is for most. Me? Can't clean it.

    It will be awhile, if ever, before I shoot any kind of competition.

    I'm betting it won't take you long to get it.
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    A truly humble man is hard to find...
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    What you have learned to date isn't worthless, just put it in its proper context. Your original style of shooting works in static defensive situations, for example, if you are bunkering in your home as someone is attempting to force entry.

    You have just identified an area of opportunity for you to grow your skills.

    I was the same as you. I thought I was a reasonable shot, standing on the line, taking time to line up my sights, focus on the front sight, by breathing, and the pressure on the trigger. Then I joined a local pistol league, which included movement and dynamic scenarios, and I took some force-on-force classes. Much like yourself I left many early sessions well and truly humbled. Faced with this new information I could ostrich it, stick my head in the sand and stay set in my ways, or I could be honest with myself and work at it. I chose to work on it, and seeing the progress I have made keeps me going back for more.

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    Somewhat Purple-ish rhino's Avatar

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    I get what you're feeling, but having good baseline marksmanship skills is far from worthless!

    What you have really learned is that the world is bigger and there are new elements of skill that you could add that will make you a better shooter. The key now is to be able to deliver the same level of marksmanship regardless of how you standing, sitting, or lying and do it while using/wasting less time.

    You're now aware of what you can do and what you cannot yet do. If you choose to take the journey and you learn, train, and practice as needed, you will make very good progress over time.

    The best part is, there will always be something new for you to learn and master and you'll learn that as you progress, being "advanced" means primarily that execute all of the fundamentals at increasingly higher levels until you don't have to think about it and you can perform on demand at the level you seek.



    Quote Originally Posted by gglass View Post
    Let me start by saying that I am just about to turn 56, and have been shooting firearms since I was 7. In all that time, and with so many years of experience I have often counted myself as a pretty good shooter... Not the best, but good enough that even other shooters have patted me on the back at various times and at many ranges. I have even posted some of my better groups on this and other forums to show off at times, but those days are now gone for good. Why? Because I just discovered how absolutely mediocre I really am at practical (real life) shooting. you know, the kind of shooting that involves rapid fire while moving.

    You see, I have never been a run & gun type shooter at any point of my life. If I had a shooting type or style it would have to be "bulls-eye" shooting. The kind of shooting that involves only a slow pace of fire at a known distance from the target. I have posted online many 10-yard, 15-yard and 25-yard groups to prove my keen eye and shooting prowess, at least on that given day. I have even posted a video showing my ability to shoot a .22 GSG-1911 at 100 yards and keep all the shots on a torso target. But, even with those skills under my belt, I was completely unprepared for a day of professional training with a SWAT team leader from a Northern Indiana city. This 9-hour training covered various shooting skills and tactics that ranged from a couple of standing drills, where I did quite well, to many types of drills that added speed, movement and multiple activities into the string of fire, where I did from average to poorly... I actually felt like I was new to shooting. I knew that adding speed and movement would show my weaknesses, but damn! This was very hard!

    All I can say at this point is that most of my training for shooting has to be relearned. I have lost confidence that my bulls-eye style skill will count for much in a real-life self defense emergency. I will not be shooting from a known distance at a static target utilizing my tried and true shooting stance... Everything I thought I knew, just went out the window, and it makes me sad that it took nearly 50 years of shooting to figure it out.

    Previous examples of what I once thought made a decent marksman...

    14-Yards, but now worthless:



    15-Yards, but now worthless:


    10-Yards, but now worthless:


    I have been truly humbled, but now realize that I must change my shooting skills training if I really want to be able to hold my own if I am in a S###-Storm situation.



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    Was this class open to the public?

    I'll also mention that BORCC in Niles holds IDPA, USPSA , Steel challenge and maybe a few more. I don't know what part of Michiana you're in but it's not from SB.


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    Marksman Trapper Jim's Avatar

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    All I can say at this point is that most of my training for shooting has to be relearned.

    And this my friend is what the bulk of every gun owner should realize. You are way ahead of the game for your practice in Bullseye. PM me and I will be glad to give you some pointers at my range in your area.

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