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  1. #11
    Expert eric001's Avatar

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    Quote Originally Posted by DadSmith View Post
    Why would they have that in the nfa? What was the reasoning for it?
    Most important question does it make sense?
    Since when are government infringements on rights, er, regulations, supposed to make sense???

  2. #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mgderf View Post
    Smooth bore handguns violate the NFA.
    It's a big no-no, which is why they did the rifling.
    I was never aware of that rule.
    How did Cobray (Leinad) get away with it with their little double barrel .410/45 colt derringers?

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    Because no rifling=shotgun to the government. So a non rifled judge or governor would be a short barrel shotgun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seldon14 View Post
    Because no rifling=shotgun to the government. So a non rifled judge or governor would be a short barrel shotgun.
    But we have shotgun pistols now.... Mossberg and Remington. Has there been a change in the rules lately ?
    Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DadSmith View Post
    But we have shotgun pistols now.... Mossberg and Remington. Has there been a change in the rules lately ?
    The Mossberg Shockwave and the Remington Tac-14 are not considered "handguns" or "pistols" according to the BATFE.
    They are classified as "firearms" and the Mossbergs, at least, are accompanied by a letter from BATFE to Mossberg explaining this.
    The letter also states it is illegal to conceal such a firearm.

    Does it make sense? No, but it is what it is.
    Dormant U.S.Marine/ NRA Benefactor-Life

  6. #16
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    The letter I received with my Shockwaves reads, in part,

    "Certain firearms, having attributes similar to your sample, have been previously classified by our Branch, such as the weapon described below:"
    Utilizes a shotgun-type receiver that has never had a shoulder stock attached.
    Fitted with a "birds head" grip in lieu of a shoulder stock
    Pump action
    12 gauge, 14-inch smooth-bore barrel
    Overall length exceeding 26 inches

    The weapon, as described above, is a "firearm" subject to the GCA provisions; however, it is not
    a "firearm" as defined by the NFA. Please note that if the subject firearm is concealed on a person, the classification with regard to the NFA may change.

    Is that clear as mud?
    Dormant U.S.Marine/ NRA Benefactor-Life

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mgderf View Post
    The Mossberg Shockwave and the Remington Tac-14 are not considered "handguns" or "pistols" according to the BATFE.
    They are classified as "firearms" and the Mossbergs, at least, are accompanied by a letter from BATFE to Mossberg explaining this.
    The letter also states it is illegal to conceal such a firearm.

    Does it make sense? No, but it is what it is.
    Thee old "if it makes sense don't do it" adage.
    Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

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    Several years ago I attended the NRA annual meeting in St. Louis.
    At that time, Taurus had a "Raging Judge Magnum" on display.
    It was a revolver that chambered 12 gauge shotgun shells only.

    I wanted one badly, not sure what for, but I wanted one just the same.
    Mere months after the NRA meeting the BATFE classified these as "destructive devices" and banned their import into the United States.
    I never got a chance to get my hands on one, although I would buy one in a heartbeat if they would just change the rules.
    Dormant U.S.Marine/ NRA Benefactor-Life

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    Blue-ID Mafia Consigliere KellyinAvon's Avatar

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mgderf View Post
    The letter I received with my Shockwaves reads, in part,

    "Certain firearms, having attributes similar to your sample, have been previously classified by our Branch, such as the weapon described below:"
    Utilizes a shotgun-type receiver that has never had a shoulder stock attached.
    Fitted with a "birds head" grip in lieu of a shoulder stock
    Pump action
    12 gauge, 14-inch smooth-bore barrel
    Overall length exceeding 26 inches

    The weapon, as described above, is a "firearm" subject to the GCA provisions; however, it is not
    a "firearm" as defined by the NFA. Please note that if the subject firearm is concealed on a person, the classification with regard to the NFA may change.

    Is that clear as mud?
    My brain hurts.
    INGOer #25,448

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mgderf View Post
    Several years ago I attended the NRA annual meeting in St. Louis.
    At that time, Taurus had a "Raging Judge Magnum" on display.
    It was a revolver that chambered 12 gauge shotgun shells only.

    I wanted one badly, not sure what for, but I wanted one just the same.
    Mere months after the NRA meeting the BATFE classified these as "destructive devices" and banned their import into the United States.
    I never got a chance to get my hands on one, although I would buy one in a heartbeat if they would just change the rules.
    Close, it was a 28ga.


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