A new use for the .410 Judge and S&W Governor

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  • AmmoManAaron

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    As if snake defense weren't enough...


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    :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
     

    Mgderf

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    People can bash all they want, but I like my Judge.
    No, I don't carry it because it has a 4" barrel, and that's just a bit too long.
    Besides that, I have better carry guns, but I still like my Judge.

    I think I'll leave the murder hornet hunting to others.
     

    KokomoDave

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    The beekeeper in Washington state can tell you they ain't no joke. He received 8 stings thru his sweats and beekeeper suit at night armed with CO2 and a flashlight.

    I'll pass on wielding my wheelgun shotty on murder hornets!
     

    binkerton

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    I've always been intrigued by the Judge. Not sure what I'd use it for, other than something else to shoot 45 colt out of that isn't a big ass .460, but they seem versatile. It's on my list of wants.
     

    Hohn

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    They screwed up rifling it for .45 cal. Smoothbore dedicated .410 makes a lot more sense.
     

    Hohn

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    Fine, then they can do straight "rifling" that doesn't screw up the shot pattern so badly.
     

    binkerton

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    Smooth bore handguns violate the NFA.
    It's a big no-no, which is why they did the rifling.

    I was never aware of that rule.
    How did Cobray (Leinad) get away with it with their little double barrel .410/45 colt derringers?
     

    Mgderf

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    But we have shotgun pistols now.... Mossberg and Remington. Has there been a change in the rules lately ?

    The Mossberg Shockwave and the Remington Tac-14 are not considered "handguns" or "pistols" according to the BATFE.
    They are classified as "firearms" and the Mossbergs, at least, are accompanied by a letter from BATFE to Mossberg explaining this.
    The letter also states it is illegal to conceal such a firearm.

    Does it make sense? No, but it is what it is.
     

    Mgderf

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    The letter I received with my Shockwaves reads, in part,

    "Certain firearms, having attributes similar to your sample, have been previously classified by our Branch, such as the weapon described below:"
    Utilizes a shotgun-type receiver that has never had a shoulder stock attached.
    Fitted with a "birds head" grip in lieu of a shoulder stock
    Pump action
    12 gauge, 14-inch smooth-bore barrel
    Overall length exceeding 26 inches

    The weapon, as described above, is a "firearm" subject to the GCA provisions; however, it is not
    a "firearm" as defined by the NFA. Please note that if the subject firearm is concealed on a person, the classification with regard to the NFA may change.

    Is that clear as mud?
     

    DadSmith

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    The Mossberg Shockwave and the Remington Tac-14 are not considered "handguns" or "pistols" according to the BATFE.
    They are classified as "firearms" and the Mossbergs, at least, are accompanied by a letter from BATFE to Mossberg explaining this.
    The letter also states it is illegal to conceal such a firearm.

    Does it make sense? No, but it is what it is.

    Thee old "if it makes sense don't do it" adage.
     

    Mgderf

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    Several years ago I attended the NRA annual meeting in St. Louis.
    At that time, Taurus had a "Raging Judge Magnum" on display.
    It was a revolver that chambered 12 gauge shotgun shells only.

    I wanted one badly, not sure what for, but I wanted one just the same.
    Mere months after the NRA meeting the BATFE classified these as "destructive devices" and banned their import into the United States.
    I never got a chance to get my hands on one, although I would buy one in a heartbeat if they would just change the rules.
     

    KellyinAvon

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    The letter I received with my Shockwaves reads, in part,

    "Certain firearms, having attributes similar to your sample, have been previously classified by our Branch, such as the weapon described below:"
    Utilizes a shotgun-type receiver that has never had a shoulder stock attached.
    Fitted with a "birds head" grip in lieu of a shoulder stock
    Pump action
    12 gauge, 14-inch smooth-bore barrel
    Overall length exceeding 26 inches

    The weapon, as described above, is a "firearm" subject to the GCA provisions; however, it is not
    a "firearm" as defined by the NFA. Please note that if the subject firearm is concealed on a person, the classification with regard to the NFA may change.

    Is that clear as mud?
    My brain hurts.
     

    AmmoManAaron

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    Several years ago I attended the NRA annual meeting in St. Louis.
    At that time, Taurus had a "Raging Judge Magnum" on display.
    It was a revolver that chambered 12 gauge shotgun shells only.

    I wanted one badly, not sure what for, but I wanted one just the same.
    Mere months after the NRA meeting the BATFE classified these as "destructive devices" and banned their import into the United States.
    I never got a chance to get my hands on one, although I would buy one in a heartbeat if they would just change the rules.

    Close, it was a 28ga.

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