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  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach View Post
    The four rules are all that you need to be safe and a good gun handler.

    One of the positives of USPSA shooting is the tough demands on safety. I am biased but the best gun handlers are the ones who shoot in competition. It quite frankly scares the hell out of me 9 times out of 10 when a non competition shooter handles a gun. I have never shot IDPA and so I don't have first hand knowledge. That group may be and probably is just as safe. My point is competition does wonders for safe gun handling. If you don't participate you should.
    i'm with coach on this one. not only are competitive shooters, in general, safer, their gun handling makes the transition to defensive shooting quite well.
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    C'mon guys, we all know that competition and actually practicing with your guns is gonna get you killed.

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    From something

    I think John Wayne said it. But if he didn't he should have.

    "You gotta die from something.'
    No one is stronger or more dangerous than the man who can harness his emotions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Elzinga View Post
    C'mon guys, we all know that competition and actually practicing with your guns is gonna get you killed.
    mayhaps so, mike, but with any luck it will take 50 years or so.
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    the safety rules have effected me tactically unfortunately, I still keep my finger off the trigger even when I'm on target, not good

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    We've unfortunately had to add a 5th rule when teaching classes.

    Rule #5
    Don't try to catch a dropped gun.

    At least once a year since I started training, someone has dropped a gun on the range for some reason. Now a days folks are getting the message, but in the old days it was real tough to get them to just let it clang off the floor.

    I hate to even bring it up, but had Plexico followed that little piece of advice you'd probably be reading about the NFL superstar who got popped for dropping a gun in public, and not the guy who's injured and out of work for the foreseeable future.

    Tinman....

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    REMBER commom sence is not so common

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    The chamber must be checked visually. Simply actuating the action does not insure that the chamber is empty. A broken or malfunctioning extractor will leave a live round in the chamber and that could be tragic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BE Mike View Post
    The chamber must be checked visually. Simply actuating the action does not insure that the chamber is empty. A broken or malfunctioning extractor will leave a live round in the chamber and that could be tragic.
    Cant agree more ...must be a southern thing ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by melensdad View Post
    I may have missed it, but I didn't see any "safety rules" thread anywhere here on the website. I know we have some brand new shooters here, they may appreciate these rules. These are also the rules I used to train my daughter in safe practices.
    Jeff Cooper's Rules of Gun Safety

    RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

    RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY

    RULE III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

    RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET



    RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED
    There are no exceptions. Do not pretend that this is true. Some people and organizations take this rule and weaken it;e.g. "Treat all guns as if they were loaded." Unfortunately, the "as if" compromises the directness of the statement by implying that they are unloaded, but we will treat them as though they are loaded. No good! Safety rules must be worded forcefully so that they are never treated lightly or reduced to partial compliance.

    All guns are always loaded - period!

    This must be your mind-set. If someone hands you a firearm and says, "Don't worry, it's not loaded," you do not dare believe him. You need not be impolite, but check it yourself. Remember, there are no accidents, only negligent acts. Check it. Do not let yourself fall prey to a situation where you might feel compelled to squeal, "I didn't know it was loaded!"
    RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY
    Conspicuously and continuously violated, especially with pistols, Rule II applies whether you are involved in range practice, daily carry, or examination. If the weapon is assembled and in someone's hands, it is capable of being discharged. A firearm holstered properly, lying on a table, or placed in a scabbard is of no danger to anyone. Only when handled is there a need for concern. This rule applies to fighting as well as to daily handling. If you are not willing to take a human life, do not cover a person with the muzzle. This rule also applies to your own person. Do not allow the muzzle to cover your extremities, e.g. using both hands to reholster the pistol. This practice is unsound, both procedurally and tactically. You may need a free hand for something important. Proper holster design should provide for one-handed holstering, so avoid holsters which collapse after withdrawing the pistol. (Note: It is dangerous to push the muzzle against the inside edge of the holster nearest the body to "open" it since this results in your pointing the pistol at your midsection.) Dry-practice in the home is a worthwhile habit and it will result in more deeply programmed reflexes. Most of the reflexes involved in the Modern Technique do not require that a shot be fired. Particular procedures for dry-firing in the home will be covered later. Let it suffice for now that you do not dry-fire using a "target" that you wish not to see destroyed. (Recall RULE I as well.)
    Rule III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET
    Rule III is violated most anytime the uneducated person handles a firearm. Whether on TV, in the theaters, or at the range, people seem fascinated with having their finger on the trigger. Never stand or walk around with your finger on the trigger. It is unprofessional, dangerous, and, perhaps most damaging to the psyche, it is klutzy looking. Never fire a shot unless the sights are superimposed on the target and you have made a conscious decision to fire. Firing an unaligned pistol in a fight gains nothing. If you believe that the defensive pistol is only an intimidation tool - not something to be used - carry blanks, or better yet, reevaluate having one around. If you are going to launch a projectile, it had best be directed purposely. Danger abounds if you allow your finger to dawdle inside the trigger guard. As soon as the sights leave the target, the trigger-finger leaves the trigger and straightens alongside the frame. Since the hand normally prefers to work as a unit - as in grasping - separating the function of the trigger-finger from the rest of the hand takes effort. The five-finger grasp is a deeply programmed reflex. Under sufficient stress, and with the finger already placed on the trigger, an unexpected movement, misstep or surprise could result in a negligent discharge. Speed cannot be gained from such a premature placement of the trigger-finger. Bringing the sights to bear on the target, whether from the holster or the Guard Position, takes more time than that required for moving the trigger finger an inch or so to the trigger.

    RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET
    Know what it is, what is in line with it, and what is behind it. Never shoot at anything you have not positively identified. Be aware of your surroundings, whether on the range or in a fight. Do not assume anything. Know what you are doing.

    SUMMARY:
    Make these rules a part of your character. Never compromise them. Improper gunhandling results from ignorance and improper role modeling, such as handling your gun like your favorite actor does. Education can cure this. You can make a difference by following these gunhandling rules and insisting that those around you do the same. Set the example. Who knows what tragedies you, or someone you influence, may prevent?
    Now watch how quickly people forget it or out right deliberatly ignore them.

    I'll bet you lunch with in the next 30 day there will be a thread on this board flat out advocating practices contrary to those simple rules and when it's pointed out to them that person and a dozen other will join them in argueing how out dated the rule is and be just packed full of excuses why the rules don't apply in their situation.

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