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    So would any of the Bush bashers here have preferred the alternative? Gore in '00 and Kerry in '04? While I think Bush could have done better in some areas, the reality is we could have had Gore or Kerry. Now what would those clowns have done to us compared to Bush?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spec4 View Post
    So would any of the Bush bashers here have preferred the alternative? Gore in '00 and Kerry in '04? While I think Bush could have done better in some areas, the reality is we could have had Gore or Kerry. Now what would those clowns have done to us compared to Bush?

    I think the country is given 2 impossible choices in this 2 party system. Bad, and worse. No, I'm sure as hell not suggesting Gore or Kerry would have been better. Frankly they are all globalists, some are just globalists on steroids.

    Option #1 will poison you; Option #2 will stab you. Who do you choose? Try Option #3, Ron Paul.

    We need to be intellectually honest with ourselves here. Bush was NOT conservative. He grew government beyond anyone's wildest dreams. If you consider yourself conservative, you have nothing to gain by trying to justify George Bush & his government-growing rampage. A true Conservative needs to point out the phony Conservatives... otherwise ALL conservatives look ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spec4 View Post
    So would any of the Bush bashers here have preferred the alternative? Gore in '00 and Kerry in '04? While I think Bush could have done better in some areas, the reality is we could have had Gore or Kerry. Now what would those clowns have done to us compared to Bush?
    We have no idea what Gore or Kerry would have done. It's a moot point. Sort of takes us back to the lesser of two evils dilemma.

    I don't think this is so much about Bush bashing as trying to set the record straight. Although there are blogs and conservative postings about Obama spending more than all the previous presidents combined, there are no hard numbers to back that up. His first year in office was under Bush's prepared budget. We have no idea how much has been spent in Iraq and Afghanistan. It was W who signed the TARP legislation authorizing the initial $700 billion bailout. Just last night at the University of Texas, George W. Bush said "It wasn't that hard for me, just so you know. I made the decision to use your money to prevent the collapse from happening."

    During the George W. Bush presidency, U.S. debt as a percentage of GDP rose from 56% to 83%.

    I am not defending or condemning either president. It's my position that simply getting Obama out and/or Republicans in will not solve stop the spending.
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    only reason McCain didnt get my vote was palin.
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    I see what you did there. How much was a loaf of bread when Washington was in office?

    How does this compare to the Bush years?
    The Obamatard took all the debt racked up under 8 years of the Bush administration, and promptly doubled it.

    Now, if you want to use the Al Gore method of statistical analysis (the notorious, "hockey stick" graph), it means that at the end of 4 years, the Obamamama administration will create a debt that is 6 1/3 times what he started with.

    If the unthinkeable happens, and the Commie-in-chief is re-elected to a second term, his legacy will be a national debt that is over 40 times higher than what the Bush administration left us.

    If any Obama defenders want to fault my theory... Just remember that Al Gore got a Nobel Prize for this very same mathmatical application. So it MUST be true!!
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    People have to remember that when George the Second took office there were several more buildings standing in New York City and several thousand more people alive.

    That said, Homeland Insecurity is an abomination and waste of money. We already had too many agencies running thing that wouldn't talk to each other. Just what we needed was more. And then we got the airport Nazis and all the expense, not to mention loss of freedoms. Bush didn't have to spend as much as he did, but he did and I won't defend his wasting of money.

    In Bush's defense, I do remember him early in his first term trying to reign in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, only to be shot down for doing so. It would have been interesting if he had let some of the banks fail, and not given out our money to save them. Pure capitalism would have been interesting.

    During the first "Great Depression" there were a lot of failures, and the president at that time spent money to make make things better only to make things worse. We survived that one. It seems we don't learn from history, but I am sure this great country will survive the second great depression and what ever Bush did and obama-messiah is doing.

    obama-messiah made the best of the worst in his seeming attempt to destroy what was left. His overspending has no excuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon View Post
    only reason McCain didnt get my vote was palin.
    Only reason McCain got my vote was Palin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackhawk2001 View Post
    Only reason McCain got my vote was Palin.
    Obama was the only reason McCain got my vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rambone View Post
    Yes.

    Bush set a new all-time spending record. So did Obama. Spending needs to be pulled back dramatically before we go bankrupt.

    Bush thought spending tax-payer money on government "stimulus" projects would boost the economy. So did Obama. The government cannot stimulate anything without first hurting someone else.

    Bush thought bailing out companies with tax-dollars would somehow fix their failed business-models. So did Obama. Companies need to fix their wild spending problems and leave the taxpayers out of it.

    Bush engaged us in years of expensive foreign wars. So is Obama. And leaving 50,000+ troops on the ground can hardly be considered the end of a war.

    Bush signed a law that increased the government's involvement in the health care system. So did Obama. The government's involvement is what makes the system so expensive.

    Bush created new government agencies. So did Obama. Government needs to shrink drastically to constitutional levels.


    Defending Bush in any way, shape, or form will be a fruitless endeavor. Bush and Obama are both statists. People need to back up and realize that Obama is one tyrant in a long line of tyrants. They are all front-men & fall-guys for the folks behind the scenes, taking this country on a path to destruction. The names change, the course stays the same.

    My only issue with your statement is the foreign war part, you cant compare leaving 50,000 troops in Iraq to the massive amount of money bush pumped into that country and war.
    Furthermore, Obama inherited that war and now has an obligation to finish it.
    Just like we all do as a nation, since it is our fault we went there to begin with. By our I do mean the citizens of our country, most of us knew the WMD's were bogus, and even if they weren't I would at least like to believe that the majority of us would've liked to get Bin laden first and foremost.

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